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Jeez man. Seems like a news story about the EU being on a power trip hits the front page every week now. Thanking my lucky stars I don’t have to live under such

Jeez man. Seems like a news story about the EU being on a power trip hits the front page every week now. Thanking my lucky stars I don’t have to live under such a controlling regime.

robswc 3y ago
It makes stuff like GDPR ironic too.
- cooper_ganglia 3y ago
  I hadn't even considered this, but you're absolutely correct. That's hilarious, in the most depressing way possible!
cbg0 3y ago
This is far from what a "controlling regime" looks like.
landemva 3y ago
The eu now has pretend democracy so those who pass eu laws are not accountable to the people. I know people disagree with facts about eu voting, so let us know when typical eu person gets to vote on chief Von der Leyen retaining office.
autoexec 3y ago
I'm not sure if the US is much better, or if we're just a lot quieter about the three letter agencies spying on our communications. In some ways the transparency is kind of refreshing. At least the EU has something to fight back against while we can only guess at the extent of the abuses that are happening right now.
irusensei 3y ago
Current day EU is trying to be like one of those comfy Norwegian prisons but with more guards and surveillance.
TacticalCoder 3y ago
> Thanking my lucky stars I don’t have to live under such a controlling regime. I live there and it is descending into sheer horror. And all the various member state pass things into national laws then people complain: "we have no choice, it's the EU" as an excuse to make your life miserable. It's not just about CSAM. The intrusiveness of KYC/AML for example is out of control too. So much that the EU is now apparently trying to correct their trajectory a bit: too many businesses and individuals are complaining that of all the people required to play the compliance/KYC/AML snitches for the states (notary / lawyers / bankers / insurers / accountants / etc.), a bit too many feel empowered by some ego-trip and believe they're suddenly part of the spanish inquisition bent on burning heretics. Take just any subject: say cryptocurrencies. I know, I know: many here hate on cryptocurrencies, but bear with me... What does the EU do regarding cryptocurrencies? Quickly pass a directive mandating every VASP (Virtual Asset Service Provider) to report to the kommandantur the name/physical address/virtual address of any EU citizen owning cryptocurrencies. It doesn't only concerns exchanges/brokers like Coinbase: it also concerns companies selling hardware wallets. You may hate on cryptocurrencies: this is not about protecting the people. It's about total, complete and utter surveillance. Because they can. They can pass any directive they want and they do so. At the moment the nation states in the EU still have their own fiscal rules but I'm sure this is coming to an end too. The EU is very quickly turning into the EURSS. It's horrible to witness. I'm ready to get the fuck out (I already moved to a less totalitarian country, sadly still inside the EU), but it's hard.
- anonzzzies 3y ago
  > The intrusiveness of KYC/AML for example is out of control too Mostly because pressure from the US. Which is lame af but the US is pressuring sovereign countries to crack down on these things; it’s no different outside the eu (well, there are exceptions, but I doubt you would want to live there talking about totalitarian regimes). Even HSBC, the traditional aml culprit, adheres to this crap even in their home territory under USA pressure. > I'm ready to get the fuck out Please do, see how much you enjoy it. I have lived in every continent and the grass looks greener, but it’s not. If you don’t try and just sit here being annoyed, you’ll never know though. In the meanwhile, vote for the people that are in favour of democracy and privacy.
XorNot 3y ago
Your police forces regularly murder citizens exercising their legal and constitutionally protected rights[1,2], and experience no consequences for it as well as get to hound the families for free long after the media loses interest. The EU has a public debate on issues, and consistently rejects them - which is the price of freedom, eternal vigilance. [1] https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-04-15/us-police-shoot-man-dead-after-responding-to-wrong-address/102227592 https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-04-15/us-police-shoot-man-d... [2] https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/investigations/police-shootings-database/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/investigations/polic...
anonzzzies 3y ago
UK (Camden Lock) or US? UK currently is pretty bad for many ‘controlling’ metrics. https://www.comparitech.com/vpn-privacy/the-worlds-most-surveilled-cities/ https://www.comparitech.com/vpn-privacy/the-worlds-most-surv...
anthk 3y ago
You mean, like the NSA, Five Eyes, the Assange issue, the anti-encryption exportion laws in the 90's (Hello NetBSD vs the safe OpenBSD from Canada)? No one it's good here. It's like the war between Russia's Wagner vs Ukranian's Azov. A war between thugs.

Jeez man. Seems like a news story about the EU being on a power trip hits the front page every week now. Thanking my lucky stars I don’t have to live under such a controlling regime.

robswc 3y ago

It makes stuff like GDPR ironic too.

cooper_ganglia 3y ago
I hadn't even considered this, but you're absolutely correct. That's hilarious, in the most depressing way possible!

cbg0 3y ago

This is far from what a "controlling regime" looks like.

landemva 3y ago

The eu now has pretend democracy so those who pass eu laws are not accountable to the people. I know people disagree with facts about eu voting, so let us know when typical eu person gets to vote on chief Von der Leyen retaining office.

autoexec 3y ago

I'm not sure if the US is much better, or if we're just a lot quieter about the three letter agencies spying on our communications. In some ways the transparency is kind of refreshing. At least the EU has something to fight back against while we can only guess at the extent of the abuses that are happening right now.

irusensei 3y ago

Current day EU is trying to be like one of those comfy Norwegian prisons but with more guards and surveillance.

TacticalCoder 3y ago

> Thanking my lucky stars I don’t have to live under such a controlling regime. I live there and it is descending into sheer horror. And all the various member state pass things into national laws then people complain: "we have no choice, it's the EU" as an excuse to make your life miserable. It's not just about CSAM. The intrusiveness of KYC/AML for example is out of control too. So much that the EU is now apparently trying to correct their trajectory a bit: too many businesses and individuals are complaining that of all the people required to play the compliance/KYC/AML snitches for the states (notary / lawyers / bankers / insurers / accountants / etc.), a bit too many feel empowered by some ego-trip and believe they're suddenly part of the spanish inquisition bent on burning heretics. Take just any subject: say cryptocurrencies. I know, I know: many here hate on cryptocurrencies, but bear with me... What does the EU do regarding cryptocurrencies? Quickly pass a directive mandating every VASP (Virtual Asset Service Provider) to report to the kommandantur the name/physical address/virtual address of any EU citizen owning cryptocurrencies. It doesn't only concerns exchanges/brokers like Coinbase: it also concerns companies selling hardware wallets. You may hate on cryptocurrencies: this is not about protecting the people. It's about total, complete and utter surveillance. Because they can. They can pass any directive they want and they do so. At the moment the nation states in the EU still have their own fiscal rules but I'm sure this is coming to an end too. The EU is very quickly turning into the EURSS. It's horrible to witness. I'm ready to get the fuck out (I already moved to a less totalitarian country, sadly still inside the EU), but it's hard.

anonzzzies 3y ago
> The intrusiveness of KYC/AML for example is out of control too Mostly because pressure from the US. Which is lame af but the US is pressuring sovereign countries to crack down on these things; it’s no different outside the eu (well, there are exceptions, but I doubt you would want to live there talking about totalitarian regimes). Even HSBC, the traditional aml culprit, adheres to this crap even in their home territory under USA pressure. > I'm ready to get the fuck out Please do, see how much you enjoy it. I have lived in every continent and the grass looks greener, but it’s not. If you don’t try and just sit here being annoyed, you’ll never know though. In the meanwhile, vote for the people that are in favour of democracy and privacy.

XorNot 3y ago

Your police forces regularly murder citizens exercising their legal and constitutionally protected rights[1,2], and experience no consequences for it as well as get to hound the families for free long after the media loses interest. The EU has a public debate on issues, and consistently rejects them - which is the price of freedom, eternal vigilance. [1] https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-04-15/us-police-shoot-man-dead-after-responding-to-wrong-address/102227592 https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-04-15/us-police-shoot-man-d... [2] https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/investigations/police-shootings-database/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/investigations/polic...

anonzzzies 3y ago

UK (Camden Lock) or US? UK currently is pretty bad for many ‘controlling’ metrics. https://www.comparitech.com/vpn-privacy/the-worlds-most-surveilled-cities/ https://www.comparitech.com/vpn-privacy/the-worlds-most-surv...

anthk 3y ago

You mean, like the NSA, Five Eyes, the Assange issue, the anti-encryption exportion laws in the 90's (Hello NetBSD vs the safe OpenBSD from Canada)? No one it's good here. It's like the war between Russia's Wagner vs Ukranian's Azov. A war between thugs.