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I certainly echo the sentiment that Apple is doing well enough with on device AI/ML features. * Photo enhancement and object detection * Text identification

I certainly echo the sentiment that Apple is doing well enough with on device AI/ML features. * Photo enhancement and object detection * Text identification * FaceID But I also echo the sentiment that they could and should be doing more. And I only need one example to highlight their massive shortcomings... Siri.

superb_dev 3y ago
Where does Siri fall short for you? It's not perfect, but it's never felt any worse than my google home
- unfamiliar 3y ago
  “Siri, what’s 9am Pacific Time?” > gives me the current date. “Siri, what’s 9am Pacific Time in my local time zone?” > gives me the current time. I could go on…
  - lancewiggs 3y ago
    Try asking about cities rather than time zones.
    - stavros 3y ago
      I don't want to try to understand the AI, when the promise was that the AI will be able to understand me.
      - yazaddaruvala 3y ago
        The Promise: "Cars will get you from point A to B at 100kmph" "I got in a car and said go. It didn't go." "Did you try putting it into gear?" "That wasn't the promise! I already understand my horse and it goes fast enough when I say go. Why should I now have to understand a car?" Tools are tools! AI is not different. Like any tool, it will have limits, it will get better, it will keep having other limits. Learn the new tool if you want to, don't learn the new tool if you don't want to. But it feels disingenuous, and your valid criticisms get lost, when you claim "The tool doesn't do what I want! and stop trying to teach me how to use it!".
        stavros 3y ago
        I'd agree with you if the whole purpose of AI wasn't that you don't need to learn anything new, instead you can talk to it like you talk to people. If a person would understand what I mean but an AI doesn't, the AI is broken.
        yazaddaruvala 3y ago
        I’ll speak for myself, but I most certainly need to learn how to understand and be understood by other people. So that is what I expect from AI.
        stavros 3y ago
        I'll make the point even clearer: The promise of AI assistants is that, given that you already know how to make yourself understood by people, a skill the vast majority of the population already possesses, the AI assistant does not require any additional learning.
  - jorvi 3y ago
    Someone else a while back commented he said he told Siri to “turn on the living room light” and it did so at his mom’s house instead. Or the classic where you ask something simple and it looks the query up on the internet verbatim instead. Or completely bungles a clearly enunciated query. “Hey Siri, what’s 3 * 9?” “Looking up ‘treehouse sign’ on the internet”
itshossein 3y ago
It seems even more suprising when you realize that the then almost magical Siri was released 12-13 years ago! What a wasted head start...
- sroussey 3y ago
  But it’s on device. Not sending your voice to the cloud.
idonotknowwhy 3y ago
Because they don't gather as much data as the other tech giants
- postalrat 3y ago
  Like OpenAI?
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superb_dev 3y ago

Where does Siri fall short for you? It's not perfect, but it's never felt any worse than my google home

unfamiliar 3y ago
“Siri, what’s 9am Pacific Time?” > gives me the current date. “Siri, what’s 9am Pacific Time in my local time zone?” > gives me the current time. I could go on…
- lancewiggs 3y ago
  Try asking about cities rather than time zones.
  - stavros 3y ago
    I don't want to try to understand the AI, when the promise was that the AI will be able to understand me.
    - yazaddaruvala 3y ago
      The Promise: "Cars will get you from point A to B at 100kmph" "I got in a car and said go. It didn't go." "Did you try putting it into gear?" "That wasn't the promise! I already understand my horse and it goes fast enough when I say go. Why should I now have to understand a car?" Tools are tools! AI is not different. Like any tool, it will have limits, it will get better, it will keep having other limits. Learn the new tool if you want to, don't learn the new tool if you don't want to. But it feels disingenuous, and your valid criticisms get lost, when you claim "The tool doesn't do what I want! and stop trying to teach me how to use it!".
      - stavros 3y ago
        I'd agree with you if the whole purpose of AI wasn't that you don't need to learn anything new, instead you can talk to it like you talk to people. If a person would understand what I mean but an AI doesn't, the AI is broken.
        yazaddaruvala 3y ago
        I’ll speak for myself, but I most certainly need to learn how to understand and be understood by other people. So that is what I expect from AI.
        stavros 3y ago
        I'll make the point even clearer: The promise of AI assistants is that, given that you already know how to make yourself understood by people, a skill the vast majority of the population already possesses, the AI assistant does not require any additional learning.
- jorvi 3y ago
  Someone else a while back commented he said he told Siri to “turn on the living room light” and it did so at his mom’s house instead. Or the classic where you ask something simple and it looks the query up on the internet verbatim instead. Or completely bungles a clearly enunciated query. “Hey Siri, what’s 3 * 9?” “Looking up ‘treehouse sign’ on the internet”

itshossein 3y ago

It seems even more suprising when you realize that the then almost magical Siri was released 12-13 years ago! What a wasted head start...

sroussey 3y ago
But it’s on device. Not sending your voice to the cloud.

idonotknowwhy 3y ago

Because they don't gather as much data as the other tech giants

postalrat 3y ago
Like OpenAI?
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