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This woman got dragged 20 feet by the car after the collision, and then the car rolled over her leg and left her pinned to the ground until the fire department
by mips_avatar 3y ago
This woman got dragged 20 feet by the car after the collision, and then the car rolled over her leg and left her pinned to the ground until the fire department came and removed the wheel to get her out. The cruise vehicle wasn't at fault for the initial accident, but the subsequent damage it caused was entirely the fault of the autonomous vehicle. A person would have stopped and helped the pedestrian.
- ironman1478 3y agoThe person who hit and run the woman in the first place shows this is obviously not true. You think they didn't notice?There was a muni bus who hit a pedestrian a few weeks ago and didn't even notice.
- bombcar 3y agoIf the Cruise had hit and run it might have been better than parking on the woman's leg.
- ironman1478 3y agoExcept it didn't immediately do that. Cruise released a report today saying that the car actually drove 20 feet and dragged the woman. There is no simple answer as to what to do. It's simply difficult and acting like there are easy answers to this is unproductive and imo not in the spirit of hackernews.
- tempestn 3y agoIt's difficult to program an autonomous vehicle to handle this correctly, sure. That doesn't mean an average human driver wouldn't have done better. Of course a human driver wouldn't just keep driving to pull over after hitting a pedestrian and not being able to see where they went.
- smileysteve 3y agoIn some cultures, they have a custom to ensure whoever you hit dies so that you don't pay disability. And the hit and run driver did just drive off
- imp0cat 3y agoAh, the Chinese way. But it is not something we should be loking forward to.
- grogenaut 3y agoThe person who hit and run commuted a felony. Cruise not providing evidence as asked and required by their testing agreement did similar. A muni bus and a car are different. But the big issue is hiding / eliding the data.
- ironman1478 3y agoI agree that hiding data is bad and the company should be punished. I was simply commenting on the fact that people frequently do not stop when running over pedestrians, which the parent comment claimed.
- pj_mukh 3y ago“The woman got dragged 20feet” With respect this part is not clear. Only that the woman moved 20feet. The DMV has not made clear whether she moved 20feet from the location of original Collision (ie with the human driver) or she was dragged 20feet as the cruise car kept driving. They’ve let the audience fill in the blanks and we’ve collectively come to the more exciting conclusion.
- darkerside 3y agoI'm pretty sure Cruise's statement worded this intentionally vaguely, and it's natural to assume they are trying to gloss over their responsibility in the most horrific part of the story.
- KennyBlanken 3y agoThey had the balls to write "pulling the individual forward"
- skywhopper 3y agoThe Cruise statement is what mentions "pulling the pedestrian forward 20 feet" so it's clear she was dragged for at least that distance.
- pj_mukh 3y agoIt’s so painfully obvious to me that the solution here is to not having flying humans because of bad drivers that hit and run and not “actually let’s ban autonomous driving” (the city will inevitably come after Waymo next)
- s1artibartfast 3y agoPeople get dragged to death under cars with unaware human drivers all the time. I dont think you can definitively say a person would have stopped and helped.
- infamouscow 3y agoA person has the potential to do more than what a Cruise vehicle actually did in the situation.