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Have you driven in San Francisco or basically any large US city? If cars had to stop like that to give extra space for a jaywalker that had exited the path of t

by bdamm 3y ago

Have you driven in San Francisco or basically any large US city? If cars had to stop like that to give extra space for a jaywalker that had exited the path of travel, someone would rear end the AV, or at the very least the driving experience would be very jarring. If we wanted to legitimize this case then probably large areas of downtown in cities should be redefined to be free-for-all traffic with low speed limits.

tempsy 3y ago
I don't know if this was a homeless woman or not but there's plenty of times I've seen in SF of some mentally disturbed homeless person in the middle of the street. In those situations I would 100% stop completely in front of them and/or drive very slowly around them. The difference between a regular jaywalker and someone who is mentally disturbed is the mentally disturbed jaywalker is unpredictable and you have no idea what they'll do next. The right decision in this case was for both cars to at least slow down if not stop in front of the crosswalk. The Cruise car driving normally just because the walker happened to just pass to its left without slowing down doesn't seem like the best decision.
- microtherion 3y ago
  Slow down to a crawl, definitely, but if you stopped until they got off the street completely, you might never move again in some areas of SF (the accident happened near Market Street). And it's not a given that doing so would make the situation safer, as other drivers would eventually drive around your car.
mint2 3y ago
Normal drivers stop or proceed slowly through intersections when pedestrians are in the road regardless of whether the person is supposed to be there. With great power comes great responsibility. Anyone who doesn’t slow down in situations like that is a waiting to be like the Nissan driver: a person a-okay with committing manslaughter. And two wrongs don’t make a right. Just because some human drivers are negligent and horrible doesn’t mean we have to accept robots varieties that are also bad.

by bdamm 3y ago

tempsy 3y ago

I don't know if this was a homeless woman or not but there's plenty of times I've seen in SF of some mentally disturbed homeless person in the middle of the street. In those situations I would 100% stop completely in front of them and/or drive very slowly around them. The difference between a regular jaywalker and someone who is mentally disturbed is the mentally disturbed jaywalker is unpredictable and you have no idea what they'll do next. The right decision in this case was for both cars to at least slow down if not stop in front of the crosswalk. The Cruise car driving normally just because the walker happened to just pass to its left without slowing down doesn't seem like the best decision.

microtherion 3y ago
Slow down to a crawl, definitely, but if you stopped until they got off the street completely, you might never move again in some areas of SF (the accident happened near Market Street). And it's not a given that doing so would make the situation safer, as other drivers would eventually drive around your car.

mint2 3y ago

Normal drivers stop or proceed slowly through intersections when pedestrians are in the road regardless of whether the person is supposed to be there. With great power comes great responsibility. Anyone who doesn’t slow down in situations like that is a waiting to be like the Nissan driver: a person a-okay with committing manslaughter. And two wrongs don’t make a right. Just because some human drivers are negligent and horrible doesn’t mean we have to accept robots varieties that are also bad.