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I don't think it's fair to expect that level of quality... yet. You've named 3 companies that have been making related devices for literally decades. Valve... h

by squigz 3y ago

I don't think it's fair to expect that level of quality... yet. You've named 3 companies that have been making related devices for literally decades. Valve... hasn't :P

mrWiz 3y ago
Certainly it's fair to mention it, though. As a person who has never used a Steam Deck, reading about these experiences alongside the positive ones helps paint a fuller picture for me.
animatethrow 3y ago
GNOME and KDE have been doing Linux desktops since the 1990s, "literally decades". At Microsoft and Apple there are evidently product managers incentivized to ensure bluetooth earbuds "just work" and do not hang the bluetooth settings app. Apple has sold more than 150M AirPods, has over $12B revenue from them, and would lose a lot of profit if they don't "just work". Core desktop Linux devs on the other hand be like, "Whatev.. I don't use bluetooth on my 24-core BeastStation. Not my problem." They have the brains and talent to make it work, but not the motivation. Open source people work on what they find interesting.
- squigz 3y ago
  > Core desktop Linux devs on the other hand be like, "Whatev.. I don't use bluetooth on my 24-core BeastStation. Not my problem." This is absolutely not how Linux development works, but okay.
  - washadjeffmad 3y ago
    Very true. They use 10-15 year old ThinkPads.
  - eternityforest 3y ago
    Are you sure? Maybe it's not how kernel dev works but the issues aren't usually in the kernel, they're in daemons and GUIs sometimes made by small groups.
- fomine3 3y ago
  Sometimes Bluetooth hangs on Windows11 so it's on par
  - happymellon 3y ago
    Some days my Mac decides it hates my Bluetooth mouse, so I have to use the Logitech dongle. It seems about on par with MacOS.
sfmike 3y ago
no offense but to expect audio to work via bluetooth seems like a reasonable and prudent expectation. little portable bluetooth speakers for 10-20 bucks from aliexpress work seemlesly.

by squigz 3y ago

I don't think it's fair to expect that level of quality... yet. You've named 3 companies that have been making related devices for literally decades. Valve... hasn't :P

mrWiz 3y ago

Certainly it's fair to mention it, though. As a person who has never used a Steam Deck, reading about these experiences alongside the positive ones helps paint a fuller picture for me.

animatethrow 3y ago

GNOME and KDE have been doing Linux desktops since the 1990s, "literally decades". At Microsoft and Apple there are evidently product managers incentivized to ensure bluetooth earbuds "just work" and do not hang the bluetooth settings app. Apple has sold more than 150M AirPods, has over $12B revenue from them, and would lose a lot of profit if they don't "just work". Core desktop Linux devs on the other hand be like, "Whatev.. I don't use bluetooth on my 24-core BeastStation. Not my problem." They have the brains and talent to make it work, but not the motivation. Open source people work on what they find interesting.

squigz 3y ago
> Core desktop Linux devs on the other hand be like, "Whatev.. I don't use bluetooth on my 24-core BeastStation. Not my problem." This is absolutely not how Linux development works, but okay.
- washadjeffmad 3y ago
  Very true. They use 10-15 year old ThinkPads.
- eternityforest 3y ago
  Are you sure? Maybe it's not how kernel dev works but the issues aren't usually in the kernel, they're in daemons and GUIs sometimes made by small groups.
fomine3 3y ago
Sometimes Bluetooth hangs on Windows11 so it's on par
- happymellon 3y ago
  Some days my Mac decides it hates my Bluetooth mouse, so I have to use the Logitech dongle. It seems about on par with MacOS.

sfmike 3y ago

no offense but to expect audio to work via bluetooth seems like a reasonable and prudent expectation. little portable bluetooth speakers for 10-20 bucks from aliexpress work seemlesly.