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Really? Do you agree this data should cost 30 million dollars to retrieve? Do you agree that 10tb of storage should cost 1000s of dollars? Would you be mad if s

Really? Do you agree this data should cost 30 million dollars to retrieve? Do you agree that 10tb of storage should cost 1000s of dollars? Would you be mad if someone sent you data you did not ask for and then threatened legal action if you did not grant full access to your personal data in return? I don't agree with all his takes. It's absurd he toyed with the idea of asking to keep this data, for instance... But I think he is rightfully pissed.

ajkjk 3y ago
Sounds like he was fucking with people who work for Seattle and then acting indignant and affronted when he gleaned even the slightest bit of irritation or frustration in response.
- QuercusMax 3y ago
  If the city employees don't want to follow the laws relating to disclosure of public records, they should find a new line of business. Just because they're incompetent doesn't mean the public should suffer for it.
  - ajkjk 3y ago
    What does that have to do with it? The writer could easily, with no additional effort, treat people more respectfully and get the same results. We should not celebrate casual meanness.
    - chaps 3y ago
      "slightest bit of irritation or frustration in response." I'll admit I could have been kinder, but I'm not sure I'd call their irritation "slight". You're really downplaying the (clearly intentional) audacity of their response as well as how often these sorts of audacious responses happen. It's hard NOT to get aggressive in these communications when their intentions are clearly rooted in just making me go away. It's a very common pattern and a very frustrating one at that, especially when the gov folks are intentionally obstinate on top of everything else. Here's another example of an agency that started off aggressively and got egg on their face from their hubris to show what I mean: https://www.muckrock.com/foi/vermont-80/email-metadata-55744/ https://www.muckrock.com/foi/vermont-80/email-metadata-55744... From: "The production of the requested records for March 5, required the time of 5 interns (3 unpaid) who all worked 6 hours cutting and pasting the emails from paper copies. This also required staff time to collect and print the emails and review for the security concerns we indicated in an earlier email. The estimated cost, which was not charged to you, was conservatively, $412 for the record we produced:" To this, followed by the records for free, after I sent them instructions: I have been working with our IT folks and may be able to extract to a spreadsheet to fulfill your request. But anywho, whenever I teach FOIA stuff these days I always start out with the advice to always be kind. So it's a lesson learned.
- actuallyalys 3y ago
  Maybe he could have been more polite, but the author‘s responses here and other blog posts make it clear that he was actually intending to use the metadata and wasn’t just “fucking with“ city employees.

ajkjk 3y ago

Sounds like he was fucking with people who work for Seattle and then acting indignant and affronted when he gleaned even the slightest bit of irritation or frustration in response.

QuercusMax 3y ago
If the city employees don't want to follow the laws relating to disclosure of public records, they should find a new line of business. Just because they're incompetent doesn't mean the public should suffer for it.
- ajkjk 3y ago
  What does that have to do with it? The writer could easily, with no additional effort, treat people more respectfully and get the same results. We should not celebrate casual meanness.
  - chaps 3y ago
    "slightest bit of irritation or frustration in response." I'll admit I could have been kinder, but I'm not sure I'd call their irritation "slight". You're really downplaying the (clearly intentional) audacity of their response as well as how often these sorts of audacious responses happen. It's hard NOT to get aggressive in these communications when their intentions are clearly rooted in just making me go away. It's a very common pattern and a very frustrating one at that, especially when the gov folks are intentionally obstinate on top of everything else. Here's another example of an agency that started off aggressively and got egg on their face from their hubris to show what I mean: https://www.muckrock.com/foi/vermont-80/email-metadata-55744/ https://www.muckrock.com/foi/vermont-80/email-metadata-55744... From: "The production of the requested records for March 5, required the time of 5 interns (3 unpaid) who all worked 6 hours cutting and pasting the emails from paper copies. This also required staff time to collect and print the emails and review for the security concerns we indicated in an earlier email. The estimated cost, which was not charged to you, was conservatively, $412 for the record we produced:" To this, followed by the records for free, after I sent them instructions: I have been working with our IT folks and may be able to extract to a spreadsheet to fulfill your request. But anywho, whenever I teach FOIA stuff these days I always start out with the advice to always be kind. So it's a lesson learned.
actuallyalys 3y ago
Maybe he could have been more polite, but the author‘s responses here and other blog posts make it clear that he was actually intending to use the metadata and wasn’t just “fucking with“ city employees.