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This is such a wild edge case though. So we think the vehicle should do what, keep driving, potentially causing more damage? It's highly situation specific, an

This is such a wild edge case though. So we think the vehicle should do what, keep driving, potentially causing more damage? It's highly situation specific, and I'd expect the emergency personal to make the judgement call on how to free the person (potentially by taking control of the vehicle, or other means).

kelnos 3y ago
Oh, I agree. You may have loaded the page before my edit where I expanded on my first paragraph. (I have my comments appear on a several minute delay because I know I sometimes submit a comment before I've made sure my intent was clear, but I maybe I took too long this time. It's a bad habit, and I know I should slow down, but... yeah.)
tapoxi 3y ago
Keeping autonomous vehicles on the road will result in thousands of edge cases, and without a clear safety benefit (as opposed to Level 1 systems) its better to stop everything and reconsider. Honestly, I don't think this tech will be able to ever be fully automated without controlling the environment as well (dedicated lanes). There's just too many variables you can't account for, and too much risk.
- kelnos 3y ago
  Is there a way to measure the (potential) safety benefits without putting these vehicles on the road? I'm not saying that means we should just put them on the road, consequences be damned, but I'm curious if there are alternative ways to prove them without risking bystanders' lives.
- spaced-out 3y ago
  > Keeping autonomous vehicles on the road will result in thousands of edge cases, and without a clear safety benefit (as opposed to Level 1 systems) its better to stop everything and reconsider. True, but I bet either a Cruise or a Waymo would have stopped rather than hit that woman crossing the street, and they definitely would not have fled the scene like the human driver did.
  - tapoxi 3y ago
    I mean it did hit her (again), ran her over, then stayed on top of her. That's not a better scenario at all. A Level 1 system can still avoid hitting people.
    - elromulous 3y ago
      Did you read the whole thing? She was knocked onto its path. It might be have been physically impossible to avoid hitting her at that point.
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elromulous 3y ago
Circling back to add some info. From this[0] page: "But the DMV also said it was not made aware that the Cruise vehicle then tried to pull over while the pedestrian was underneath it." Kind of proves my point. Stopping completely would have been more ok. The issue the DMV took is that it then pulled over, and that cruise withheld that information. [0]https://spectrum.ieee.org/lta-airship-faa-clearance https://spectrum.ieee.org/lta-airship-faa-clearance

kelnos 3y ago

Oh, I agree. You may have loaded the page before my edit where I expanded on my first paragraph. (I have my comments appear on a several minute delay because I know I sometimes submit a comment before I've made sure my intent was clear, but I maybe I took too long this time. It's a bad habit, and I know I should slow down, but... yeah.)

tapoxi 3y ago

Keeping autonomous vehicles on the road will result in thousands of edge cases, and without a clear safety benefit (as opposed to Level 1 systems) its better to stop everything and reconsider. Honestly, I don't think this tech will be able to ever be fully automated without controlling the environment as well (dedicated lanes). There's just too many variables you can't account for, and too much risk.

kelnos 3y ago
Is there a way to measure the (potential) safety benefits without putting these vehicles on the road? I'm not saying that means we should just put them on the road, consequences be damned, but I'm curious if there are alternative ways to prove them without risking bystanders' lives.
spaced-out 3y ago
> Keeping autonomous vehicles on the road will result in thousands of edge cases, and without a clear safety benefit (as opposed to Level 1 systems) its better to stop everything and reconsider. True, but I bet either a Cruise or a Waymo would have stopped rather than hit that woman crossing the street, and they definitely would not have fled the scene like the human driver did.
- tapoxi 3y ago
  I mean it did hit her (again), ran her over, then stayed on top of her. That's not a better scenario at all. A Level 1 system can still avoid hitting people.
  - elromulous 3y ago
    Did you read the whole thing? She was knocked onto its path. It might be have been physically impossible to avoid hitting her at that point.

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elromulous 3y ago

Circling back to add some info. From this[0] page: "But the DMV also said it was not made aware that the Cruise vehicle then tried to pull over while the pedestrian was underneath it." Kind of proves my point. Stopping completely would have been more ok. The issue the DMV took is that it then pulled over, and that cruise withheld that information. [0]https://spectrum.ieee.org/lta-airship-faa-clearance https://spectrum.ieee.org/lta-airship-faa-clearance