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And yet TSLA is allowed to have “Full Self Driving” on the road in hundreds of thousands of cars as a “beta”.

colordrops 3y ago
I understand why so many people hate Tesla, but they aren't allowed to drive fully automated without a human monitoring them, so not the same situation.
- jaylittle 3y ago
  If by "not allowed" you actually mean, "implements safety protocols so easy to circumvent that they may as well not exist", then I agree. Otherwise... not so much.
  - keneda7 3y ago
    I have not seen any easy way to get a tesla to drive without anyone in it. Any chance you could provide a link showing this?
    - iamtheworstdev 3y ago
      not sure if you're trolling or not but last i heard people simply strapping an exercise/weighted wrist band to the steering wheel which simulated torque being applied to the steering wheel which leads a Tesla to believe someone is paying attention. A quick search on Youtube reveals more than a few videos confirming this.
      - manquer 3y ago
        You still need to be in the car and in the driving seat ? Unlike cruize which does not require anyone in the car Which would make the driver responsible not the the company for incidents especially ones which explicitly circumvented controls. The scenario with cruize is different because the company is responsible for everything
      - pests 3y ago
        Autopilot is different than the Full Self Driving (FSD) Beta. The FSD Beta uses the in-cabin camera's to do eye tracking and all the other attention stuff.
      - keneda7 3y ago
        No I was being serious. Searching turns up defeating the system with someone in the seat but not without. The other commenter provided a video showing it is possible from two month ago.
        natch 3y ago
        That’s autopilot, an entirely different thing from FSD beta.
        supertimor 3y ago
        The description in the video said they were using FSD beta.
        natch 3y ago
        Ah right. Previous versions of the beta did not monitor the interior camera. Did they state what version they are claiming to be using?
      - natch 3y ago
        That is outdated information. It may have been true at the time, but now Tesla uses the interior camera to make sure you are paying attention to the road. If you don’t want to use the FSD beta, you don’t have to activate the camera, or you can put tape over it. With either of these actions the user can opt out but will not have the ability to use the beta.
    - alphabetting 3y ago
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CPMoLmQgxTw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CPMoLmQgxTw
      - keneda7 3y ago
        Thank you very much! I don't know how I haven't seen this in the past 2 months.
  - colordrops 3y ago
    Be honest though, no one is doing this. At most some hacker messing around, but it's not at scale at all like the other companies. And even then, that's the fault of the driver, not Tesla.
- Isthatablackgsd 3y ago
  There are videos of Tesla drivers sleeping on the driver's seat while FSD are running. How is that is monitoring?
  - bonton89 3y ago
    My wife was telling me a new Prius she was driving freaks out and audio alerts if she looks away from the road. That sounded irritating but that car didn't claim to be self driving.
  - pests 3y ago
    That would be Autopilot or Enhanched Autopilot. Those with the real FSD Beta have to deal with in-cabin camera tracking which includes gaze detection to make sure you are paying attention.
- r00fus 3y ago
  Yes, but the quality of the self-driving Tesla has is 10x less capable than Cruise - I don't know anyone who actually uses "self-driving" with any degree of confidence.
  - natch 3y ago
    What are you intending to compare here? Two points: Try using Cruise outside its tiny comfort zones. There is no such thing as the “self driving Tesla” you mention. There is a beta which requires human supervision at all times.
paxys 3y ago
The people behind the wheel of the Tesla are taking full responsibility for the car's actions, whether they know it or not. No such driver exists in Cruise's case.
- throwaway5959 3y ago
  I don’t care who’s “responsible” if it means people are getting into preventable accidents.

I understand why so many people hate Tesla, but they aren't allowed to drive fully automated without a human monitoring them, so not the same situation.

jaylittle 3y ago
If by "not allowed" you actually mean, "implements safety protocols so easy to circumvent that they may as well not exist", then I agree. Otherwise... not so much.
- keneda7 3y ago
  I have not seen any easy way to get a tesla to drive without anyone in it. Any chance you could provide a link showing this?
  - iamtheworstdev 3y ago
    not sure if you're trolling or not but last i heard people simply strapping an exercise/weighted wrist band to the steering wheel which simulated torque being applied to the steering wheel which leads a Tesla to believe someone is paying attention. A quick search on Youtube reveals more than a few videos confirming this.
    - manquer 3y ago
      You still need to be in the car and in the driving seat ? Unlike cruize which does not require anyone in the car Which would make the driver responsible not the the company for incidents especially ones which explicitly circumvented controls. The scenario with cruize is different because the company is responsible for everything
    - pests 3y ago
      Autopilot is different than the Full Self Driving (FSD) Beta. The FSD Beta uses the in-cabin camera's to do eye tracking and all the other attention stuff.
    - keneda7 3y ago
      No I was being serious. Searching turns up defeating the system with someone in the seat but not without. The other commenter provided a video showing it is possible from two month ago.
      - natch 3y ago
        That’s autopilot, an entirely different thing from FSD beta.
        supertimor 3y ago
        The description in the video said they were using FSD beta.
        natch 3y ago
        Ah right. Previous versions of the beta did not monitor the interior camera. Did they state what version they are claiming to be using?
    - natch 3y ago
      That is outdated information. It may have been true at the time, but now Tesla uses the interior camera to make sure you are paying attention to the road. If you don’t want to use the FSD beta, you don’t have to activate the camera, or you can put tape over it. With either of these actions the user can opt out but will not have the ability to use the beta.
  - alphabetting 3y ago
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CPMoLmQgxTw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CPMoLmQgxTw
    - keneda7 3y ago
      Thank you very much! I don't know how I haven't seen this in the past 2 months.
- colordrops 3y ago
  Be honest though, no one is doing this. At most some hacker messing around, but it's not at scale at all like the other companies. And even then, that's the fault of the driver, not Tesla.
Isthatablackgsd 3y ago
There are videos of Tesla drivers sleeping on the driver's seat while FSD are running. How is that is monitoring?
- bonton89 3y ago
  My wife was telling me a new Prius she was driving freaks out and audio alerts if she looks away from the road. That sounded irritating but that car didn't claim to be self driving.
- pests 3y ago
  That would be Autopilot or Enhanched Autopilot. Those with the real FSD Beta have to deal with in-cabin camera tracking which includes gaze detection to make sure you are paying attention.
r00fus 3y ago
Yes, but the quality of the self-driving Tesla has is 10x less capable than Cruise - I don't know anyone who actually uses "self-driving" with any degree of confidence.
- natch 3y ago
  What are you intending to compare here? Two points: Try using Cruise outside its tiny comfort zones. There is no such thing as the “self driving Tesla” you mention. There is a beta which requires human supervision at all times.

paxys 3y ago

The people behind the wheel of the Tesla are taking full responsibility for the car's actions, whether they know it or not. No such driver exists in Cruise's case.

throwaway5959 3y ago
I don’t care who’s “responsible” if it means people are getting into preventable accidents.