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Wow, this person seems really annoying and entitled.

by ajkjk 3y ago

NegativeK 3y ago
I, personally, would be annoyed if governments were bureauc-walling me from information that I'm legally entitled to.
- QuercusMax 3y ago
  I'm extremely unsurprised that the Seattle Police and Human Services depts were holdouts from returning this data. Police are notorious for stonewalling these types of disclosure requests.
chaps 3y ago
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internetter 3y ago
Really? Do you agree this data should cost 30 million dollars to retrieve? Do you agree that 10tb of storage should cost 1000s of dollars? Would you be mad if someone sent you data you did not ask for and then threatened legal action if you did not grant full access to your personal data in return? I don't agree with all his takes. It's absurd he toyed with the idea of asking to keep this data, for instance... But I think he is rightfully pissed.
- ajkjk 3y ago
  Sounds like he was fucking with people who work for Seattle and then acting indignant and affronted when he gleaned even the slightest bit of irritation or frustration in response.
  - QuercusMax 3y ago
    If the city employees don't want to follow the laws relating to disclosure of public records, they should find a new line of business. Just because they're incompetent doesn't mean the public should suffer for it.
    - ajkjk 3y ago
      What does that have to do with it? The writer could easily, with no additional effort, treat people more respectfully and get the same results. We should not celebrate casual meanness.
      - chaps 3y ago
        "slightest bit of irritation or frustration in response." I'll admit I could have been kinder, but I'm not sure I'd call their irritation "slight". You're really downplaying the (clearly intentional) audacity of their response as well as how often these sorts of audacious responses happen. It's hard NOT to get aggressive in these communications when their intentions are clearly rooted in just making me go away. It's a very common pattern and a very frustrating one at that, especially when the gov folks are intentionally obstinate on top of everything else. Here's another example of an agency that started off aggressively and got egg on their face from their hubris to show what I mean: https://www.muckrock.com/foi/vermont-80/email-metadata-55744/ https://www.muckrock.com/foi/vermont-80/email-metadata-55744... From: "The production of the requested records for March 5, required the time of 5 interns (3 unpaid) who all worked 6 hours cutting and pasting the emails from paper copies. This also required staff time to collect and print the emails and review for the security concerns we indicated in an earlier email. The estimated cost, which was not charged to you, was conservatively, $412 for the record we produced:" To this, followed by the records for free, after I sent them instructions: I have been working with our IT folks and may be able to extract to a spreadsheet to fulfill your request. But anywho, whenever I teach FOIA stuff these days I always start out with the advice to always be kind. So it's a lesson learned.
  - actuallyalys 3y ago
    Maybe he could have been more polite, but the author‘s responses here and other blog posts make it clear that he was actually intending to use the metadata and wasn’t just “fucking with“ city employees.
thsksbd 3y ago
This person is doing the dirty ground work of protecting our rights, and incurring legal fees because of it. The entitled prima donnas are the public employees of Seattle that seem to have the attitude that they shouldn't be bothered to do their jobs properly.
- not_a_shill 3y ago
  If this is your attitude, I hope there are people in your line of work that make it their personal hobby to bait you into getting you fired like this guy did. What this is is pure scumbaggery using the guise of public service. It's akin to those "first amendment auditors" on YouTube.
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  - thsksbd 3y ago
    He's not trying to bait anyone to loose their job. He's trying to ensure that governments have processes in place to quickly and effectively serve citizens according to the law. I actually expect them to serve us with a smile and good manners not unlike the courtesy expected from the good folks at any Chick-Fillet.
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BHSPitMonkey 3y ago
Annoying, no, but very much entitled. As in, he (like everybody else) is legally entitled to have access to records our government is responsible for making available, in the interest of transparency and accountability. Be thankful there are people out there volunteering to do the testing necessary to make sure our rights are working properly.

Wow, this person seems really annoying and entitled.

by ajkjk 3y ago

Wow, this person seems really annoying and entitled.

NegativeK 3y ago

I, personally, would be annoyed if governments were bureauc-walling me from information that I'm legally entitled to.

QuercusMax 3y ago
I'm extremely unsurprised that the Seattle Police and Human Services depts were holdouts from returning this data. Police are notorious for stonewalling these types of disclosure requests.

chaps 3y ago

internetter 3y ago

Really? Do you agree this data should cost 30 million dollars to retrieve? Do you agree that 10tb of storage should cost 1000s of dollars? Would you be mad if someone sent you data you did not ask for and then threatened legal action if you did not grant full access to your personal data in return? I don't agree with all his takes. It's absurd he toyed with the idea of asking to keep this data, for instance... But I think he is rightfully pissed.

ajkjk 3y ago
Sounds like he was fucking with people who work for Seattle and then acting indignant and affronted when he gleaned even the slightest bit of irritation or frustration in response.
- QuercusMax 3y ago
  If the city employees don't want to follow the laws relating to disclosure of public records, they should find a new line of business. Just because they're incompetent doesn't mean the public should suffer for it.
  - ajkjk 3y ago
    What does that have to do with it? The writer could easily, with no additional effort, treat people more respectfully and get the same results. We should not celebrate casual meanness.
    - chaps 3y ago
      "slightest bit of irritation or frustration in response." I'll admit I could have been kinder, but I'm not sure I'd call their irritation "slight". You're really downplaying the (clearly intentional) audacity of their response as well as how often these sorts of audacious responses happen. It's hard NOT to get aggressive in these communications when their intentions are clearly rooted in just making me go away. It's a very common pattern and a very frustrating one at that, especially when the gov folks are intentionally obstinate on top of everything else. Here's another example of an agency that started off aggressively and got egg on their face from their hubris to show what I mean: https://www.muckrock.com/foi/vermont-80/email-metadata-55744/ https://www.muckrock.com/foi/vermont-80/email-metadata-55744... From: "The production of the requested records for March 5, required the time of 5 interns (3 unpaid) who all worked 6 hours cutting and pasting the emails from paper copies. This also required staff time to collect and print the emails and review for the security concerns we indicated in an earlier email. The estimated cost, which was not charged to you, was conservatively, $412 for the record we produced:" To this, followed by the records for free, after I sent them instructions: I have been working with our IT folks and may be able to extract to a spreadsheet to fulfill your request. But anywho, whenever I teach FOIA stuff these days I always start out with the advice to always be kind. So it's a lesson learned.
- actuallyalys 3y ago
  Maybe he could have been more polite, but the author‘s responses here and other blog posts make it clear that he was actually intending to use the metadata and wasn’t just “fucking with“ city employees.

thsksbd 3y ago

This person is doing the dirty ground work of protecting our rights, and incurring legal fees because of it. The entitled prima donnas are the public employees of Seattle that seem to have the attitude that they shouldn't be bothered to do their jobs properly.

not_a_shill 3y ago
If this is your attitude, I hope there are people in your line of work that make it their personal hobby to bait you into getting you fired like this guy did. What this is is pure scumbaggery using the guise of public service. It's akin to those "first amendment auditors" on YouTube.
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- thsksbd 3y ago
  He's not trying to bait anyone to loose their job. He's trying to ensure that governments have processes in place to quickly and effectively serve citizens according to the law. I actually expect them to serve us with a smile and good manners not unlike the courtesy expected from the good folks at any Chick-Fillet.
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    [deleted]

BHSPitMonkey 3y ago

Annoying, no, but very much entitled. As in, he (like everybody else) is legally entitled to have access to records our government is responsible for making available, in the interest of transparency and accountability. Be thankful there are people out there volunteering to do the testing necessary to make sure our rights are working properly.