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Menu UNDER toolbar is ridiculous. Duplicate toolbar buttons (on main toolbar & account toolbar) are ridiculous. But all of that could be tolerable. What is N

Menu UNDER toolbar is ridiculous. Duplicate toolbar buttons (on main toolbar & account toolbar) are ridiculous. But all of that could be tolerable. What is NOT tolerable is broken "Manually sort folders" plugin. Thunderbird sorts folders in tree alphabetically and only alphabetically, and it is pure nonsense! But before this update there was very handy plugin to rearrange folders in away you need, not alphabet needs. Now it is broken and author says that internal API is completely changed. This is essential feature, IMHO. "The Bat!" mail client has this feature in, I don't know, 2000? With handy keyboard shortcuts (Ctrl+Arrows) too!

pmontra 3y ago
> Menu UNDER toolbar is ridiculous. There is way to undo that, at least on Linux. Edit or create the file chrome/userChrome.css in your profile directory and add #toolbar-menubar { order: -1 !important; } Restart Thunderbird. Maybe it works on all OSes. Credits to https://superuser.com/questions/1787317/thunderbird-114-115-reshuffled-the-interface-again-how-to-fix-it https://superuser.com/questions/1787317/thunderbird-114-115-... > What is NOT tolerable is broken "Manually sort folders" plugin. I sadly agree with you. I'm waiting for some good news from the GitHub page of the plugin. My workaround is to mark as favorites the parent folders of the trees for my customers and place the favorites at the top of the tree list. I never used favorites before, there was no need for them.
- nerdponx 3y ago
  Ah yes, manually setting opaque CSS to revert an idiosyncratic UI design choice back to something that people would normally expect to see. Great, thanks. Seriously, when I saw the "115 vs 102" slider thing on the website, I was surprised and disappointed to realize that that I instinctively interpreted as the new and improved UI was actually the old UI that I was already used to, and the weird iPad-esque thing was actually the new and supposedly improved UI that I was about to get. This is what I donate every month for? It's enough to make me reconsider my contribution.
thesuitonym 3y ago
>Thunderbird sorts folders in tree alphabetically and only alphabetically Except when it doesn't. Personally, alphabetically is the way that I want it sorted, but sometimes Thunderbird starts up and the folders are randomly sorted, and I can't sort the back. I just have to close Thunderbird and start it again to get my folders back in the right order.
bisby 3y ago
Thunderbird also lost the ability to have threads auto collapse for a while there (it seems to be back now?). So any long threads were auto expanded. Felt kinda like supernova was so heavily focused on "the redesign" that it failed to consider basic usablilty
oezi 3y ago
I never understood their idea how they want to get plugins authors back after they destroyed all existing efforts.

pmontra 3y ago

> Menu UNDER toolbar is ridiculous. There is way to undo that, at least on Linux. Edit or create the file chrome/userChrome.css in your profile directory and add #toolbar-menubar { order: -1 !important; } Restart Thunderbird. Maybe it works on all OSes. Credits to https://superuser.com/questions/1787317/thunderbird-114-115-reshuffled-the-interface-again-how-to-fix-it https://superuser.com/questions/1787317/thunderbird-114-115-... > What is NOT tolerable is broken "Manually sort folders" plugin. I sadly agree with you. I'm waiting for some good news from the GitHub page of the plugin. My workaround is to mark as favorites the parent folders of the trees for my customers and place the favorites at the top of the tree list. I never used favorites before, there was no need for them.

nerdponx 3y ago
Ah yes, manually setting opaque CSS to revert an idiosyncratic UI design choice back to something that people would normally expect to see. Great, thanks. Seriously, when I saw the "115 vs 102" slider thing on the website, I was surprised and disappointed to realize that that I instinctively interpreted as the new and improved UI was actually the old UI that I was already used to, and the weird iPad-esque thing was actually the new and supposedly improved UI that I was about to get. This is what I donate every month for? It's enough to make me reconsider my contribution.

thesuitonym 3y ago

>Thunderbird sorts folders in tree alphabetically and only alphabetically Except when it doesn't. Personally, alphabetically is the way that I want it sorted, but sometimes Thunderbird starts up and the folders are randomly sorted, and I can't sort the back. I just have to close Thunderbird and start it again to get my folders back in the right order.

bisby 3y ago

Thunderbird also lost the ability to have threads auto collapse for a while there (it seems to be back now?). So any long threads were auto expanded. Felt kinda like supernova was so heavily focused on "the redesign" that it failed to consider basic usablilty

oezi 3y ago

I never understood their idea how they want to get plugins authors back after they destroyed all existing efforts.