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Roblox tells some remote employees to work from the San Mateo office or quit

35 points by goplayoutside 3y ago

3seashells 3y ago
So some, so return to office is basically a improvement plan officially?
- morkalork 3y ago
  Nothing motivates me more to improve than an additional, unnecessary, 1+ hour commute. It's nothing but a loyalty / desperation test.
  - 3seashells 3y ago
    Can already hear the wage negotiation downround that comes with it. So, shows here, that when push comes to shove, well and you already showed you are willing to sacrifice money, soon..
    - heisenbit 3y ago
      Frankly a wage reduction is then only appropriate as you are less productive after the commute.
  - JJMcJ 3y ago
    From the major population centers in the Bay Area, getting to San Mateo is easily an hour. SF, Oakland, even Hayward with the San Mateo Bridge, a delight at commute hours, San Jose, or anywhere in Santa Clara County really.
    - JJMcJ 3y ago
      > Santa Clara County If in Palo Alto, it might only be 1/2 hour. But further south and you are approaching an hour for sure.
rhelz 3y ago
sigh why is this even news anymore? Executives will always ignore the brute facts of reality (after all, we just spent all of Covid working remote, to no perceptible detriment to productivity at all) in service of making excuses for earning calls. Yeah, we're screwed. yawn Tell me something I don't know.
sg47 3y ago
It's a shadow layoff by management to improve profitability. The company wants to avoid actual layoffs.
say_it_as_it_is 3y ago
Don't quit. Just don't go.
- alex_lav 3y ago
  This is the answer. Call their bluff.
throwawaaarrgh 3y ago
> Baszucki cited “Zoom fatigue,” as well as concern that early-career workers may miss out on mentorship opportunities without in-office interactions. Zoom fatigue was addressed during the pandemic by multiple ways to deal with it. Remote work is not some impossible dream. Lots of companies do it successfully. But the idea that "our junior employees might not ask for a mentor, so let's fire them" is ridiculous.
- Arrath 3y ago
  God forbid the fix to 'zoom fatigue' being 'schedule fewer bloody meetings' but that's a forbidden truth as far as management is concerned.
  - buffet_overflow 3y ago
    I still remember the time I had to walk an executive back from scheduling a “freeform happy hour” over Zoom…as a means to address Zoom fatigue in the department.
John23832 3y ago
As someone who has moved long distance (from NYC to SF and back) for a job, all you're doing is creating 6 months to a year of hell for the employees that actually relocate to San Mateo. It is not easy to uproot your life. It is not pain free. If the excuse is that you want your workers to be productive, are you considering the productivity impact on the workers that take up the offer to relocate? If a remote worker sucks, fire them. If not, let them be. As far as the opportunities for junior workers, as it has always been, it's on the managers and more senior engineers to cultivate that. It is on the juniors to put in the effort. If they're not doing it remotely (for the juniors, putting in the work, for the management and seniors, putting in the effort to cultivate the junior), why would you think they would do it in person?
- JambalayaJim 3y ago
  > it’s up to the juniors to put in the effort Take the most motivated, extroverted, confident junior you know. Even this junior doesn’t know what they don’t know; what to ask about; what’s worth asking about. I think seasoned professionals severely underestimate how foundational the first couple years of the workforce are. How much they themselves were able to absorb just being colocated with senior people. I’m not even talking about technical or domain or company knowledge but basic workplace professionals, social skills, etc. But of course you cannot simply assume that this wonder-kind junior is every single junior in the first place. More importantly maybe, you cannot assume seniors will all have the motivation to mentor an avatar on their screen.
  - John23832 3y ago
    > Take the most motivated, extroverted, confident junior you know. Even this junior doesn’t know what they don’t know; what to ask about; what’s worth asking about. I don't think you finished or understood what I wrote. Juniors knowing what to do, what to ask about, what is worth asking about, comes from interactions with management and senior engineers. That should be happening regardless of remote or not. If management and senior engineers aren't cultivating juniors remotely, they won't do it in person either. Remote management doesn't abscond them of that responsibility.
otoburb 3y ago
The only dim silver lining here is that non-executive employees will have a clear(er) understanding and legibility of their status within the organization. This signal is typically pretty valuable beause it gives those who are allowed to work remotely the understanding that they possess a unique and currently difficult-to-replace skillset. Conversely, those on the other side of the invisible divide (i.e. deemed replaceable or non-essential) will also realize that they should either start developing a difficult-to-replace skillset within the eyes of the company, or seek other employment even if they end up moving to San Mateo.
HelloMcFly 3y ago
You have to love the false choice of "do this or quit." You're going to have to fire me or make it worth my while to leave unless I find my next opportunity first. I'm not doing the hard part and giving up potential unemployment benefits.
sontek 3y ago
I'd love the opportunity to opt-in to a severance package! Can start interviewing over the next 3 months and then have paid time off before you start your new gig.
dogleash 3y ago
> may miss out on mentorship opportunities without in-office interactions I don't know how to translate "mentorship opportunities" from management into normal talk. I know what this means on the surface level. But I suspect I can't really read between the lines. I'm the defacto technical on-boarder for one of the teams I'm on; and I hire interns every summer and some fall/springs. I feel I do a fair bit of what one might call "mentorship", I still need an explainer. edit: took out a ranty bit. I'm actually interested in an answer
- UncleMeat 3y ago
  I do love how these are presented as for your own benefit. Even we assume all of this is true then like okay I might miss out on some mentorship opportunities. Shouldn't that be my choice? Maybe I don't rise up the career ladder as fast. Such is life.
tdeck 3y ago
But Roblox recruiters have been telling me for years that they're "building the metaverse". Does this mean they aren't sold on the value of virtual interactions?
staticautomatic 3y ago
Just wanna say Roblox pays FU money and I’d totally go to San Mateo for it but wouldn’t for non-FU money.
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phendrenad2 3y ago
"Move to this high cost of living area and come in to the office, oh and we'll probably lay you off anyway when not enough people voluntarily leave" doesn't sound very appealing to me, but in this economy it might be a smart move.
ulfw 3y ago
Ah yes. Another company doing firing of people as cheaply and cheekily as possible by making them quit "voluntarily".
theknocker 3y ago
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olliej 3y ago
Never quit in response a change in work conditions, if they no longer want to have you as a remote worker they can fire you, but none of this BS “implied quitting” it’s just an attempt to get out of legally required compensation.
ClassyJacket 3y ago
That's basically a gigantic pay cut.

35 points by goplayoutside 3y ago

3seashells 3y ago

So some, so return to office is basically a improvement plan officially?

morkalork 3y ago
Nothing motivates me more to improve than an additional, unnecessary, 1+ hour commute. It's nothing but a loyalty / desperation test.
- 3seashells 3y ago
  Can already hear the wage negotiation downround that comes with it. So, shows here, that when push comes to shove, well and you already showed you are willing to sacrifice money, soon..
  - heisenbit 3y ago
    Frankly a wage reduction is then only appropriate as you are less productive after the commute.
- JJMcJ 3y ago
  From the major population centers in the Bay Area, getting to San Mateo is easily an hour. SF, Oakland, even Hayward with the San Mateo Bridge, a delight at commute hours, San Jose, or anywhere in Santa Clara County really.
  - JJMcJ 3y ago
    > Santa Clara County If in Palo Alto, it might only be 1/2 hour. But further south and you are approaching an hour for sure.

rhelz 3y ago

sigh why is this even news anymore? Executives will always ignore the brute facts of reality (after all, we just spent all of Covid working remote, to no perceptible detriment to productivity at all) in service of making excuses for earning calls. Yeah, we're screwed. yawn Tell me something I don't know.

sg47 3y ago

It's a shadow layoff by management to improve profitability. The company wants to avoid actual layoffs.

say_it_as_it_is 3y ago

Don't quit. Just don't go.

alex_lav 3y ago
This is the answer. Call their bluff.

throwawaaarrgh 3y ago

> Baszucki cited “Zoom fatigue,” as well as concern that early-career workers may miss out on mentorship opportunities without in-office interactions. Zoom fatigue was addressed during the pandemic by multiple ways to deal with it. Remote work is not some impossible dream. Lots of companies do it successfully. But the idea that "our junior employees might not ask for a mentor, so let's fire them" is ridiculous.

Arrath 3y ago
God forbid the fix to 'zoom fatigue' being 'schedule fewer bloody meetings' but that's a forbidden truth as far as management is concerned.
- buffet_overflow 3y ago
  I still remember the time I had to walk an executive back from scheduling a “freeform happy hour” over Zoom…as a means to address Zoom fatigue in the department.

John23832 3y ago

As someone who has moved long distance (from NYC to SF and back) for a job, all you're doing is creating 6 months to a year of hell for the employees that actually relocate to San Mateo. It is not easy to uproot your life. It is not pain free. If the excuse is that you want your workers to be productive, are you considering the productivity impact on the workers that take up the offer to relocate? If a remote worker sucks, fire them. If not, let them be. As far as the opportunities for junior workers, as it has always been, it's on the managers and more senior engineers to cultivate that. It is on the juniors to put in the effort. If they're not doing it remotely (for the juniors, putting in the work, for the management and seniors, putting in the effort to cultivate the junior), why would you think they would do it in person?

JambalayaJim 3y ago
> it’s up to the juniors to put in the effort Take the most motivated, extroverted, confident junior you know. Even this junior doesn’t know what they don’t know; what to ask about; what’s worth asking about. I think seasoned professionals severely underestimate how foundational the first couple years of the workforce are. How much they themselves were able to absorb just being colocated with senior people. I’m not even talking about technical or domain or company knowledge but basic workplace professionals, social skills, etc. But of course you cannot simply assume that this wonder-kind junior is every single junior in the first place. More importantly maybe, you cannot assume seniors will all have the motivation to mentor an avatar on their screen.
- John23832 3y ago
  > Take the most motivated, extroverted, confident junior you know. Even this junior doesn’t know what they don’t know; what to ask about; what’s worth asking about. I don't think you finished or understood what I wrote. Juniors knowing what to do, what to ask about, what is worth asking about, comes from interactions with management and senior engineers. That should be happening regardless of remote or not. If management and senior engineers aren't cultivating juniors remotely, they won't do it in person either. Remote management doesn't abscond them of that responsibility.

otoburb 3y ago

The only dim silver lining here is that non-executive employees will have a clear(er) understanding and legibility of their status within the organization. This signal is typically pretty valuable beause it gives those who are allowed to work remotely the understanding that they possess a unique and currently difficult-to-replace skillset. Conversely, those on the other side of the invisible divide (i.e. deemed replaceable or non-essential) will also realize that they should either start developing a difficult-to-replace skillset within the eyes of the company, or seek other employment even if they end up moving to San Mateo.

HelloMcFly 3y ago

You have to love the false choice of "do this or quit." You're going to have to fire me or make it worth my while to leave unless I find my next opportunity first. I'm not doing the hard part and giving up potential unemployment benefits.

sontek 3y ago

I'd love the opportunity to opt-in to a severance package! Can start interviewing over the next 3 months and then have paid time off before you start your new gig.

dogleash 3y ago

> may miss out on mentorship opportunities without in-office interactions I don't know how to translate "mentorship opportunities" from management into normal talk. I know what this means on the surface level. But I suspect I can't really read between the lines. I'm the defacto technical on-boarder for one of the teams I'm on; and I hire interns every summer and some fall/springs. I feel I do a fair bit of what one might call "mentorship", I still need an explainer. edit: took out a ranty bit. I'm actually interested in an answer

UncleMeat 3y ago
I do love how these are presented as for your own benefit. Even we assume all of this is true then like okay I might miss out on some mentorship opportunities. Shouldn't that be my choice? Maybe I don't rise up the career ladder as fast. Such is life.

tdeck 3y ago

But Roblox recruiters have been telling me for years that they're "building the metaverse". Does this mean they aren't sold on the value of virtual interactions?

staticautomatic 3y ago

Just wanna say Roblox pays FU money and I’d totally go to San Mateo for it but wouldn’t for non-FU money.

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phendrenad2 3y ago

"Move to this high cost of living area and come in to the office, oh and we'll probably lay you off anyway when not enough people voluntarily leave" doesn't sound very appealing to me, but in this economy it might be a smart move.

ulfw 3y ago

Ah yes. Another company doing firing of people as cheaply and cheekily as possible by making them quit "voluntarily".

theknocker 3y ago

[dead]

olliej 3y ago

Never quit in response a change in work conditions, if they no longer want to have you as a remote worker they can fire you, but none of this BS “implied quitting” it’s just an attempt to get out of legally required compensation.

ClassyJacket 3y ago

That's basically a gigantic pay cut.