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Really cool stuff and I'm not trying to sound negative, but I can't help but think that if you guys get successful with this product (which I hope you will) one

Really cool stuff and I'm not trying to sound negative, but I can't help but think that if you guys get successful with this product (which I hope you will) one of your customers will sooner or later use it to work around the App Store submission process in order to violate the rules in a very visible manner (say for instance, to push porn to the App Store) and in response Apple will decide to reject every app based on your tool in the future. Do you think this is a possible course of events? Are you prepared for it somehow?

ericflo 15y ago
That's a valid point, and one we've actually thought about a decent amount. If we find anyone doing this, we will take steps on our end to make sure they stop. In the end, it's Apple's decision whether to ban a developer or not, no matter which tools or frameworks they use. A developer would not be wise to do this because they risk being banned from us as well as being banned from Apple.
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- rhizome 15y ago
  Oh no, the risk is much, much greater for you if you're planning on creating any more AStore apps using the developer id in this one.
  - ericflo 15y ago
    Every developer submits to the app store using their own id, not ours.
    - pooriaazimi 15y ago
      Flurry pissed Steve Jobs off, and he banned all analytics tools from the App Store for quite a long time (they could only be used for advertising purposes). SJ's own words, at D8 conference: http://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/steve-jobs-at-d8-conference/id377953458 http://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/steve-jobs-at-d8-conferen... They also banned interpreted codes (including Lua), but later relaxed this restriction: http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/10/06/11/apple_relaxes_ios_sdk_to_allow_lua_but_block_flash.html http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/10/06/11/apple_relaxes_... If you (or one of your customers) pisses them off, they'll ban all of you. You should be very careful.
gauravk92 15y ago
Anybody could do that with a UIWebView now, without this. You can bypass apples static analysis as well by interpolating a selector at runtime. Camera+ did this to enable the volume button to be used for taking a picture. I think to outright ban something like this, apple would have to see some really egregious exploitation.
- johnx123-up 15y ago
  I think to outright ban something like this, apple would have to see some really egregious exploitation. Apple has banned similar updates mechanism already. I think, clutch will also face similar problem.
cmelbye 15y ago
Clutch has nothing to do with this though. It's ALWAYS been possible to throw a UIWebView into your app, load a screen from a web server that you control, and replace it with porn after it's approved. Clutch simply adds a few tools on top of that to better integrate the UIWebView into your app.

ericflo 15y ago

That's a valid point, and one we've actually thought about a decent amount. If we find anyone doing this, we will take steps on our end to make sure they stop. In the end, it's Apple's decision whether to ban a developer or not, no matter which tools or frameworks they use. A developer would not be wise to do this because they risk being banned from us as well as being banned from Apple.

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rhizome 15y ago
Oh no, the risk is much, much greater for you if you're planning on creating any more AStore apps using the developer id in this one.
- ericflo 15y ago
  Every developer submits to the app store using their own id, not ours.
  - pooriaazimi 15y ago
    Flurry pissed Steve Jobs off, and he banned all analytics tools from the App Store for quite a long time (they could only be used for advertising purposes). SJ's own words, at D8 conference: http://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/steve-jobs-at-d8-conference/id377953458 http://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/steve-jobs-at-d8-conferen... They also banned interpreted codes (including Lua), but later relaxed this restriction: http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/10/06/11/apple_relaxes_ios_sdk_to_allow_lua_but_block_flash.html http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/10/06/11/apple_relaxes_... If you (or one of your customers) pisses them off, they'll ban all of you. You should be very careful.

gauravk92 15y ago

Anybody could do that with a UIWebView now, without this. You can bypass apples static analysis as well by interpolating a selector at runtime. Camera+ did this to enable the volume button to be used for taking a picture. I think to outright ban something like this, apple would have to see some really egregious exploitation.

johnx123-up 15y ago
I think to outright ban something like this, apple would have to see some really egregious exploitation. Apple has banned similar updates mechanism already. I think, clutch will also face similar problem.

cmelbye 15y ago

Clutch has nothing to do with this though. It's ALWAYS been possible to throw a UIWebView into your app, load a screen from a web server that you control, and replace it with porn after it's approved. Clutch simply adds a few tools on top of that to better integrate the UIWebView into your app.