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Luckily they have plenty of competition around: FairPhone, PinePhone, SHIFT [1] on the phone side and FrameWork, System76 on the laptop side. [1] https://wiki.

Luckily they have plenty of competition around: FairPhone, PinePhone, SHIFT [1] on the phone side and FrameWork, System76 on the laptop side. [1] https://wiki.postmarketos.org/wiki/SHIFT_SHIFT6mq_(shift-axolotl) https://wiki.postmarketos.org/wiki/SHIFT_SHIFT6mq_(shift-axo...

fsflover 3y ago
> PinePhone Not a competitor without a dedicated software developers team: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37914312 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37914312. All others don't offer GNU/Linux phones.
- eloisant 3y ago
  Fairphone provides a version with a de-Googled Android (/e/OS) and I think that enough for people who care about their privacy and don't want to share their data with Big Tech. Having an actual Linux phone with the same userspace as a Linux Desktop is cool, but it's even more niche.
  - fsflover 3y ago
    It's definitely niche, but the exclusive features can be useful to quite a few people I believe: https://source.puri.sm/Librem5/community-wiki/-/wikis/Frequently-Asked-Questions#11-why-buy-the-librem-5 https://source.puri.sm/Librem5/community-wiki/-/wikis/Freque...
asddubs 3y ago
As much as I like pine, the pinephone is heavily subsidized by librem who actually hires software devs to make things work. If you like your pinephone, you have librem to thank for it in large parts.
- bluGill 3y ago
  For years linux people we asking for hardware like pine gives: just let us have it and we will write drivers and make it work. Now that someone delivers they get criticized for it. While Pine isn't perfect, they are filling a niche that I've long wanted.
  - asddubs 3y ago
    I didn't criticize pine, I said they were being subsidized by someone paying for the software work, which is objectively true
- NewJazz 3y ago
  Yeah they aren't fully equivalent offerings. But you could spend $800 on a donation to the KDE Plasma Mobile, Unity8, SXMO projects, $100-$200 on the hardware itself, and come out even, no? Not everyone uses or wants Phosh/GNOME.

fsflover 3y ago

> PinePhone Not a competitor without a dedicated software developers team: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37914312 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37914312. All others don't offer GNU/Linux phones.

eloisant 3y ago
Fairphone provides a version with a de-Googled Android (/e/OS) and I think that enough for people who care about their privacy and don't want to share their data with Big Tech. Having an actual Linux phone with the same userspace as a Linux Desktop is cool, but it's even more niche.
- fsflover 3y ago
  It's definitely niche, but the exclusive features can be useful to quite a few people I believe: https://source.puri.sm/Librem5/community-wiki/-/wikis/Frequently-Asked-Questions#11-why-buy-the-librem-5 https://source.puri.sm/Librem5/community-wiki/-/wikis/Freque...

asddubs 3y ago

As much as I like pine, the pinephone is heavily subsidized by librem who actually hires software devs to make things work. If you like your pinephone, you have librem to thank for it in large parts.

bluGill 3y ago
For years linux people we asking for hardware like pine gives: just let us have it and we will write drivers and make it work. Now that someone delivers they get criticized for it. While Pine isn't perfect, they are filling a niche that I've long wanted.
- asddubs 3y ago
  I didn't criticize pine, I said they were being subsidized by someone paying for the software work, which is objectively true
NewJazz 3y ago
Yeah they aren't fully equivalent offerings. But you could spend $800 on a donation to the KDE Plasma Mobile, Unity8, SXMO projects, $100-$200 on the hardware itself, and come out even, no? Not everyone uses or wants Phosh/GNOME.