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OLAF disagrees with ypur feelings: https://www.euronews.com/my-europe/2022/10/14/eu-border-agency-frontex-covered-up-illegal-migrant-pushbacks-says-report http

by hef19898 3y ago

OLAF disagrees with ypur feelings: https://www.euronews.com/my-europe/2022/10/14/eu-border-agency-frontex-covered-up-illegal-migrant-pushbacks-says-report https://www.euronews.com/my-europe/2022/10/14/eu-border-agen... https://www.politico.eu/article/olaf-opens-investigation-on-frontex-for-allegations-of-pushbacks-and-misconduct/ https://www.politico.eu/article/olaf-opens-investigation-on-...

FirmwareBurner 3y ago
That's just the broken and outdated asylum system being abused by economic opportunists and people smugglers. Cracking down on it would make people smuggling disappear over night and save many lives in the process.
- hef19898 3y ago
  I just love people casually denying basic human rights...
  - FirmwareBurner 3y ago
    It's not a human right to enter and live in whichever country you desire without a visa. Each country has the right to defend its borders, that's what the border police and the military is for. Only if you can prove your life is in danger, then you're entitled to asylum in the first safe country you can reach, not 10 safe countries over in Sweden, Germany, UK, or whichever wealthy country you desire to live in once you throw away your passport because you're not from a county at war and you intentionally sink your boat so that the coast guard will be forced to pick you up. That's how human rights work, everything else is just abusing the asylum systems for personal economic benefit.
    - hef19898 3y ago
      Asylum is a human right. You didn't even bother looking that up, did you? Military wages war, and defends against other militaries. Border police doesn't do push backs.
      - FirmwareBurner 3y ago
        >Asylum is a human right. It's not. It's only to those who qualify for asylum, but this system is so lax and poorly enforced that is abused by economic chancers, and not people ruining away from wars. Look at the nationalities of those arriving form boats, 90% are not from war torn countries, they don't qualify for asylum. Also, asylum means the first safe country you can reach, not your proffered EU country. To reach Germany you need to go through 4-8 safe countries which is where the asylum scam lies and why the system needs reformed.
        hef19898 3y ago
        Now we are getting somewhere, maybe. You don't agree with the current asylum.policies? Fair enough, you are not alone and even the SPD chancelor favors harder measures (no suprise here, I'm totally in tje opposite camp). Then argue for reform. But don't start with denying people their basic right of seeking asylum, don't argue for illegal measures to be taken, and please, pleade, try to really research and understand the basic legal principles of what you discuss. Otherwise you just come across as a radical, borderline racist blowhard.
        FirmwareBurner 3y ago
        You trying to frame me as radical right wing racist, just for telling you how the asylum system laws work in practice and why it's consistently being broken and abused, is in poor taste, as you don't understand how the asylum laws work but keep harping on a flawed ideology that's not based in any laws. I repeat one last time then I'm out for good: asylum, by law, is only for those people fleeing war and persecution, not for everyone who wants to come to a nice EU country with a great welfare system, and the asylum applies to the first safe country you reach. If you come to Germany while having crossed 4-10 safe countries you're basically breaking the asylum laws. Asylum means living in a safe country where your life is no longer in danger from war, not entitling you to living only in Germany/Sweden/UK...wherever YOU choose. The current German system of "open borders for everyone, come to Germoney please" is not an asylum policy, it's just leftist political madness that's harming the welfare state and the housing market (Denmark is already hard on this), it's harming the EU stability (Brexit was driven by this and other countries are against it as well by voting right wing), it's harming the Schengen system (Austria refuses to let Romania and Bulgaria in due to these migration issues, plus border checks are being introduced all the time harming commuters) and it's harming the migrant entry point countries in EU like Italy and Greece.

FirmwareBurner 3y ago

That's just the broken and outdated asylum system being abused by economic opportunists and people smugglers. Cracking down on it would make people smuggling disappear over night and save many lives in the process.

hef19898 3y ago
I just love people casually denying basic human rights...
- FirmwareBurner 3y ago
  It's not a human right to enter and live in whichever country you desire without a visa. Each country has the right to defend its borders, that's what the border police and the military is for. Only if you can prove your life is in danger, then you're entitled to asylum in the first safe country you can reach, not 10 safe countries over in Sweden, Germany, UK, or whichever wealthy country you desire to live in once you throw away your passport because you're not from a county at war and you intentionally sink your boat so that the coast guard will be forced to pick you up. That's how human rights work, everything else is just abusing the asylum systems for personal economic benefit.
  - hef19898 3y ago
    Asylum is a human right. You didn't even bother looking that up, did you? Military wages war, and defends against other militaries. Border police doesn't do push backs.
    - FirmwareBurner 3y ago
      >Asylum is a human right. It's not. It's only to those who qualify for asylum, but this system is so lax and poorly enforced that is abused by economic chancers, and not people ruining away from wars. Look at the nationalities of those arriving form boats, 90% are not from war torn countries, they don't qualify for asylum. Also, asylum means the first safe country you can reach, not your proffered EU country. To reach Germany you need to go through 4-8 safe countries which is where the asylum scam lies and why the system needs reformed.
      - hef19898 3y ago
        Now we are getting somewhere, maybe. You don't agree with the current asylum.policies? Fair enough, you are not alone and even the SPD chancelor favors harder measures (no suprise here, I'm totally in tje opposite camp). Then argue for reform. But don't start with denying people their basic right of seeking asylum, don't argue for illegal measures to be taken, and please, pleade, try to really research and understand the basic legal principles of what you discuss. Otherwise you just come across as a radical, borderline racist blowhard.
        FirmwareBurner 3y ago
        You trying to frame me as radical right wing racist, just for telling you how the asylum system laws work in practice and why it's consistently being broken and abused, is in poor taste, as you don't understand how the asylum laws work but keep harping on a flawed ideology that's not based in any laws. I repeat one last time then I'm out for good: asylum, by law, is only for those people fleeing war and persecution, not for everyone who wants to come to a nice EU country with a great welfare system, and the asylum applies to the first safe country you reach. If you come to Germany while having crossed 4-10 safe countries you're basically breaking the asylum laws. Asylum means living in a safe country where your life is no longer in danger from war, not entitling you to living only in Germany/Sweden/UK...wherever YOU choose. The current German system of "open borders for everyone, come to Germoney please" is not an asylum policy, it's just leftist political madness that's harming the welfare state and the housing market (Denmark is already hard on this), it's harming the EU stability (Brexit was driven by this and other countries are against it as well by voting right wing), it's harming the Schengen system (Austria refuses to let Romania and Bulgaria in due to these migration issues, plus border checks are being introduced all the time harming commuters) and it's harming the migrant entry point countries in EU like Italy and Greece.