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Lots of bad things have happened because of and since the previous "wir schaffen das".

hef19898 3y ago
Last time I checked, we actually did manage it, the last time I mean. Care to elavorate which bad things happened because of it? Because happening since is pointless, we have the war in Ukraine and Covid for example since then, and neither has anything to do with it.
- FirmwareBurner 3y ago
  >Last time I checked, we actually did manage it, the last time I mean. Care to elavorate which bad things happened because of it? I'd rather not get flagged.
  - hef19898 3y ago
    Ah, ok. So let me guess: Cologne attacks, serial raping of women, criminal clans? Just picking some BS talking points from top of my head.
    - FirmwareBurner 3y ago
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      - hef19898 3y ago
        Ah, I totally forgot the swimmong pool scare of the summer of '23, thanks for reminding me! I agree, armed border police having, if it was up to conservative politians, a mandatebto use force for illegal push bavks are propably not a net benefit for society. By the way, you should be less on social media.
        FirmwareBurner 3y ago
        >illegal push bavks Since when is it illegal to stop people who don't have the right to enter a country? That's exactly the job of the border security and why you pay taxes for and why borders exist and why countries that defend their borders the best and are most selective with who they let in tend to be the safest and most desirable to live in. When you board off the plane in Germany try to make a run for it and bypass the the passport control/customs area and see what happens. I assure you, in case you don't get shot, you'll be swiftly put down by force and arrested with guns pointed at your face. Why shouldn't the same strict rules apply to everyone else? Do you have locks at your house, or do you let everyone in off the street because stopping them would be illegal according to your logic?
        hef19898 3y ago
        OLAF disagrees with ypur feelings: https://www.euronews.com/my-europe/2022/10/14/eu-border-agency-frontex-covered-up-illegal-migrant-pushbacks-says-report https://www.euronews.com/my-europe/2022/10/14/eu-border-agen... https://www.politico.eu/article/olaf-opens-investigation-on-frontex-for-allegations-of-pushbacks-and-misconduct/ https://www.politico.eu/article/olaf-opens-investigation-on-...
        FirmwareBurner 3y ago
        That's just the broken and outdated asylum system being abused by economic opportunists and people smugglers. Cracking down on it would make people smuggling disappear over night and save many lives in the process.
        hef19898 3y ago
        I just love people casually denying basic human rights...
        FirmwareBurner 3y ago
        It's not a human right to enter and live in whichever country you desire without a visa. Each country has the right to defend its borders, that's what the border police and the military is for. Only if you can prove your life is in danger, then you're entitled to asylum in the first safe country you can reach, not 10 safe countries over in Sweden, Germany, UK, or whichever wealthy country you desire to live in once you throw away your passport because you're not from a county at war and you intentionally sink your boat so that the coast guard will be forced to pick you up. That's how human rights work, everything else is just abusing the asylum systems for personal economic benefit.
    - jansan 3y ago
      Did you notice that almost every store in Berlin has a security personnel at the entrance? It wasn't like this before, but I remember being really confused when I saw this in Paris in the early 2000s. What happened? Do you think Hans and Jürgen have broken bad?
      - expertentipp 3y ago
        The downgrade in everyday security is something they simply accepted as a compromise, just deal it and also stop romanticizing Hans and Jürgen.
    - Manuel_D 3y ago
      The new Year's Eve assaults were not BS: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015%E2%80%9316_New_Year%27s_Eve_sexual_assaults_in_Germany https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015%E2%80%9316_New_Year%27s... Not only that, denial of it appears to have been one of the instigating factors in launching far right parties to prominence.
      - hef19898 3y ago
        There is a difference between ignoring them and seeimg that they were blown way, way out of proportion... And wow, it was in 2015? Forgot that it was almost a decade ago... People really, really should be able to move on... Well, they tried, but the endangered, lawless swimming pool narrative didn't really catch on, did it?
        Manuel_D 3y ago
        It's totally reasonable to say that these incidents are not significant enough to change immigration policy. But the attacks were not "BS", and falsely claiming them as such a big part of what fueled the rise of AfD and other far right parties. Even if you don't care about veracity, I'm sure you don't want to help support those parties, right? That's why you shouldn't call these events BS.
        hef19898 3y ago
        The attacks, few as they were, are not BS. What was made out of them was, is and always will be utter horse crap. What worries me is people, who believe that, pushing policy based on those believes.

hef19898 3y ago

Last time I checked, we actually did manage it, the last time I mean. Care to elavorate which bad things happened because of it? Because happening since is pointless, we have the war in Ukraine and Covid for example since then, and neither has anything to do with it.

FirmwareBurner 3y ago
>Last time I checked, we actually did manage it, the last time I mean. Care to elavorate which bad things happened because of it? I'd rather not get flagged.
- hef19898 3y ago
  Ah, ok. So let me guess: Cologne attacks, serial raping of women, criminal clans? Just picking some BS talking points from top of my head.
  - FirmwareBurner 3y ago
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    - hef19898 3y ago
      Ah, I totally forgot the swimmong pool scare of the summer of '23, thanks for reminding me! I agree, armed border police having, if it was up to conservative politians, a mandatebto use force for illegal push bavks are propably not a net benefit for society. By the way, you should be less on social media.
      - FirmwareBurner 3y ago
        >illegal push bavks Since when is it illegal to stop people who don't have the right to enter a country? That's exactly the job of the border security and why you pay taxes for and why borders exist and why countries that defend their borders the best and are most selective with who they let in tend to be the safest and most desirable to live in. When you board off the plane in Germany try to make a run for it and bypass the the passport control/customs area and see what happens. I assure you, in case you don't get shot, you'll be swiftly put down by force and arrested with guns pointed at your face. Why shouldn't the same strict rules apply to everyone else? Do you have locks at your house, or do you let everyone in off the street because stopping them would be illegal according to your logic?
        hef19898 3y ago
        OLAF disagrees with ypur feelings: https://www.euronews.com/my-europe/2022/10/14/eu-border-agency-frontex-covered-up-illegal-migrant-pushbacks-says-report https://www.euronews.com/my-europe/2022/10/14/eu-border-agen... https://www.politico.eu/article/olaf-opens-investigation-on-frontex-for-allegations-of-pushbacks-and-misconduct/ https://www.politico.eu/article/olaf-opens-investigation-on-...
        FirmwareBurner 3y ago
        That's just the broken and outdated asylum system being abused by economic opportunists and people smugglers. Cracking down on it would make people smuggling disappear over night and save many lives in the process.
        hef19898 3y ago
        I just love people casually denying basic human rights...
        FirmwareBurner 3y ago
        It's not a human right to enter and live in whichever country you desire without a visa. Each country has the right to defend its borders, that's what the border police and the military is for. Only if you can prove your life is in danger, then you're entitled to asylum in the first safe country you can reach, not 10 safe countries over in Sweden, Germany, UK, or whichever wealthy country you desire to live in once you throw away your passport because you're not from a county at war and you intentionally sink your boat so that the coast guard will be forced to pick you up. That's how human rights work, everything else is just abusing the asylum systems for personal economic benefit.
  - jansan 3y ago
    Did you notice that almost every store in Berlin has a security personnel at the entrance? It wasn't like this before, but I remember being really confused when I saw this in Paris in the early 2000s. What happened? Do you think Hans and Jürgen have broken bad?
    - expertentipp 3y ago
      The downgrade in everyday security is something they simply accepted as a compromise, just deal it and also stop romanticizing Hans and Jürgen.
  - Manuel_D 3y ago
    The new Year's Eve assaults were not BS: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015%E2%80%9316_New_Year%27s_Eve_sexual_assaults_in_Germany https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015%E2%80%9316_New_Year%27s... Not only that, denial of it appears to have been one of the instigating factors in launching far right parties to prominence.
    - hef19898 3y ago
      There is a difference between ignoring them and seeimg that they were blown way, way out of proportion... And wow, it was in 2015? Forgot that it was almost a decade ago... People really, really should be able to move on... Well, they tried, but the endangered, lawless swimming pool narrative didn't really catch on, did it?
      - Manuel_D 3y ago
        It's totally reasonable to say that these incidents are not significant enough to change immigration policy. But the attacks were not "BS", and falsely claiming them as such a big part of what fueled the rise of AfD and other far right parties. Even if you don't care about veracity, I'm sure you don't want to help support those parties, right? That's why you shouldn't call these events BS.
        hef19898 3y ago
        The attacks, few as they were, are not BS. What was made out of them was, is and always will be utter horse crap. What worries me is people, who believe that, pushing policy based on those believes.