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It is also inconvenience of charging. The fact that I need to waste an hour on a charger instead of being filled up in 5 minutes like with ICE. And most of peo

It is also inconvenience of charging. The fact that I need to waste an hour on a charger instead of being filled up in 5 minutes like with ICE. And most of people are not going to charge at home. 50% of people in EU live in an apartment and in USA charging will be killed by HOA.

mikestew 3y ago
I'd like to see the HOA contract that specifies what I can put into the interior of my garage, such as a charger.
- TheLoafOfBread 3y ago
  yeah, but driveway charging is DoA with HOA
  - mikestew 3y ago
    That's demonstrably not true in all cases. I see driveway charging in front of multi-million dollar houses that I know full well have HOAs. Now, it very well could be that it's not enforced, but I see it regularly. (Redmond, WA, if that matters to anyone.) And I'll ignore that the goalposts suddenly moved.
    - TheLoafOfBread 3y ago
      You can ignore what you want, but HOA won't ignore you.
      - mikestew 3y ago
        Obviously the HOA will ignore such things, as I’ve anecdotally demonstrated. As for yourself, you just keeping repeating yourself without even an attempt of an anecdote or a link to support your counter argument. So I’m bowing out of an unproductive back-and-forth. Enjoy the rest of your day.
ben_w 3y ago
> And most of people are not going to charge at home. I'm in Berlin, most apartment blocks around me have courtyards (with entrances large enough to drive a horse-and-carriage through), the one I'm in has a courtyard with off-street parking with chargers. There's also on-street parking outside many apartments in my area, and some of them come with charging points. > USA charging will be killed by HOA Even if that was true, HOA rules can always be altered or unmade by any sufficiently higher authority.
- TheLoafOfBread 3y ago
  > I'm in Berlin, most apartment blocks around me have courtyards (with entrances large enough to drive a horse-and-carriage through), the one I'm in has a courtyard with off-street parking with chargers. Like those massive commie blocks in Berlin with parking lots planned for 1 car per 3 apartments? Yeah sure, please step out of your bubble, you have no clue what are you talking about.
  - ben_w 3y ago
    Either you missed the bit about the horse drawn carriages or you have a very surprising idea of how people got about in the DDR. > Yeah sure, please step out of your bubble, you have no clue what are you talking about. For the second time today, I'm drawn to the biblical quote about motes of dust and beams of wood and their respective impacts on visual acuity.
    - TheLoafOfBread 3y ago
      I am not sure, why are you citing me Bible. I am talking about the fact, that people in apartments does not have way to charge, because there is nowhere to park at a first place. And that's an issue when EU has 50% of people living in apartments.
      - ben_w 3y ago
        Because your claim is false (in two distinct ways one of which would still be true even if all courtyards were removed and that should have been clear even from the message you replied to in the first place), and you're the one who needs to get out of their bubble.

mikestew 3y ago

I'd like to see the HOA contract that specifies what I can put into the interior of my garage, such as a charger.

TheLoafOfBread 3y ago
yeah, but driveway charging is DoA with HOA
- mikestew 3y ago
  That's demonstrably not true in all cases. I see driveway charging in front of multi-million dollar houses that I know full well have HOAs. Now, it very well could be that it's not enforced, but I see it regularly. (Redmond, WA, if that matters to anyone.) And I'll ignore that the goalposts suddenly moved.
  - TheLoafOfBread 3y ago
    You can ignore what you want, but HOA won't ignore you.
    - mikestew 3y ago
      Obviously the HOA will ignore such things, as I’ve anecdotally demonstrated. As for yourself, you just keeping repeating yourself without even an attempt of an anecdote or a link to support your counter argument. So I’m bowing out of an unproductive back-and-forth. Enjoy the rest of your day.

ben_w 3y ago

> And most of people are not going to charge at home. I'm in Berlin, most apartment blocks around me have courtyards (with entrances large enough to drive a horse-and-carriage through), the one I'm in has a courtyard with off-street parking with chargers. There's also on-street parking outside many apartments in my area, and some of them come with charging points. > USA charging will be killed by HOA Even if that was true, HOA rules can always be altered or unmade by any sufficiently higher authority.

TheLoafOfBread 3y ago
> I'm in Berlin, most apartment blocks around me have courtyards (with entrances large enough to drive a horse-and-carriage through), the one I'm in has a courtyard with off-street parking with chargers. Like those massive commie blocks in Berlin with parking lots planned for 1 car per 3 apartments? Yeah sure, please step out of your bubble, you have no clue what are you talking about.
- ben_w 3y ago
  Either you missed the bit about the horse drawn carriages or you have a very surprising idea of how people got about in the DDR. > Yeah sure, please step out of your bubble, you have no clue what are you talking about. For the second time today, I'm drawn to the biblical quote about motes of dust and beams of wood and their respective impacts on visual acuity.
  - TheLoafOfBread 3y ago
    I am not sure, why are you citing me Bible. I am talking about the fact, that people in apartments does not have way to charge, because there is nowhere to park at a first place. And that's an issue when EU has 50% of people living in apartments.
    - ben_w 3y ago
      Because your claim is false (in two distinct ways one of which would still be true even if all courtyards were removed and that should have been clear even from the message you replied to in the first place), and you're the one who needs to get out of their bubble.