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EVs will be "the future" when I can buy one with 180km km on the clock for ~3kEUR that I'll be able to use as a normal car I can expect to make a 350km motorway

EVs will be "the future" when I can buy one with 180km km on the clock for ~3kEUR that I'll be able to use as a normal car I can expect to make a 350km motorway round trip driving at 140kmh without having to charge more than once for no more than ~20 min. At the moment EVs are a luxury item for the most of the people in the world.

taylodl 3y ago
What ICE vehicles are available in Europe with 180k km on the clock that's selling for ~3k EUR? Here in the States that kind of money gets you a car with 325k - 475k km on the clock. As you can imagine, there aren't many cars available in that price range and the ones that are have maybe 1-3 years of life left. Only the poor buy such vehicles because they live in a car-centric area lacking public transit.
- Roark66 3y ago
  For example the one I bought 6 years ago. A VW golf 4x4 2.0 TDI 2005 with 180k km on the clock. I paid 16k pln, which was then about 3.5k EUR. Before you say, this was 6 years ago, I can tell you I just went to a popular used car sales site in Poland and when I put in 15k pln (~3.4k EUR) and no older than 2011 I got 1700 hits many like this https://www.otomoto.pl/osobowe/oferta/renault-megane-ID6FKwvZ.html https://www.otomoto.pl/osobowe/oferta/renault-megane-ID6FKwv... (a 1.7ctdi Renault megane 2012 for 14k pln). When I bought my car it was 12 years old, with one previous owner imported from the south of France(no snow/salt on winter roads). It has been 6 years, that car is now 18 years old and is approaching 210k km, in these 6 years I had to do the total of: -Replaced front springs -Replaced all 4 disc brakes -Replaced all 4 front bushings -replaced the egr valve -sealed a porous head with a coolant additive (that year 2005 is famous for porosity in their cast aluminum heads). Finally, for last 2 years I could hear slightly increased noise levels from the turbo, so it might need a replacement soon. Furthermore, parts like disk brakes or bushings can be bought here very cheaply, but still good quality. On average a third of the oem price and much better quality (yes, you can get them even cheaper, but then quality is not the same). Expensive parts like a turbo, or a "new" engine are all bought from used cars. When one buys such parts one usually buys from a reputable scraper that has a return policy etc. Over these 6 years I probably spent €2k on repairs (I did half of them by myself? So I hope you can understand how ridiculous a proposition it is for someone like me to buy new (although I could afford it without much difficulty. ) So I hope you
- TheLoafOfBread 3y ago
  Well it is little bit higher that 3k EUR, but for example Hyundai Getz is around 4500EUR, 150k km. USA does not have small cars for small price.

taylodl 3y ago

What ICE vehicles are available in Europe with 180k km on the clock that's selling for ~3k EUR? Here in the States that kind of money gets you a car with 325k - 475k km on the clock. As you can imagine, there aren't many cars available in that price range and the ones that are have maybe 1-3 years of life left. Only the poor buy such vehicles because they live in a car-centric area lacking public transit.

Roark66 3y ago
For example the one I bought 6 years ago. A VW golf 4x4 2.0 TDI 2005 with 180k km on the clock. I paid 16k pln, which was then about 3.5k EUR. Before you say, this was 6 years ago, I can tell you I just went to a popular used car sales site in Poland and when I put in 15k pln (~3.4k EUR) and no older than 2011 I got 1700 hits many like this https://www.otomoto.pl/osobowe/oferta/renault-megane-ID6FKwvZ.html https://www.otomoto.pl/osobowe/oferta/renault-megane-ID6FKwv... (a 1.7ctdi Renault megane 2012 for 14k pln). When I bought my car it was 12 years old, with one previous owner imported from the south of France(no snow/salt on winter roads). It has been 6 years, that car is now 18 years old and is approaching 210k km, in these 6 years I had to do the total of: -Replaced front springs -Replaced all 4 disc brakes -Replaced all 4 front bushings -replaced the egr valve -sealed a porous head with a coolant additive (that year 2005 is famous for porosity in their cast aluminum heads). Finally, for last 2 years I could hear slightly increased noise levels from the turbo, so it might need a replacement soon. Furthermore, parts like disk brakes or bushings can be bought here very cheaply, but still good quality. On average a third of the oem price and much better quality (yes, you can get them even cheaper, but then quality is not the same). Expensive parts like a turbo, or a "new" engine are all bought from used cars. When one buys such parts one usually buys from a reputable scraper that has a return policy etc. Over these 6 years I probably spent €2k on repairs (I did half of them by myself? So I hope you can understand how ridiculous a proposition it is for someone like me to buy new (although I could afford it without much difficulty. ) So I hope you
TheLoafOfBread 3y ago
Well it is little bit higher that 3k EUR, but for example Hyundai Getz is around 4500EUR, 150k km. USA does not have small cars for small price.