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Great question, i'm in a scandinavian country that is what is so surprising to me. I have family both here in the US and the UK, and everywhere seems to be the

Great question, i'm in a scandinavian country that is what is so surprising to me. I have family both here in the US and the UK, and everywhere seems to be the same. It's almost like there's been some secret doctrine implemented. As an example the "relatively" moderate labour parties of both Denmark and the UK as come out as pretty extreme militaristic hardliner supporters of Israel doubting the effectiveness of ceasefires, using vulgar language about the Palestinians and refusing to acknowledge any crimes committed by "their side". This is very surprising to me as i have family who fled the London bombings in WW2 and have always talked about the extreme importance of thinking clearly in conflicts, being merciful, never being going "hardliner" and most importantly being sceptical of military industrial complexes.

maksimur 3y ago
Can confirm it's the same Black Mirror level here, another European country. This is the third time I see this worrisome pattern in the last few years. I don't exactly understand what's going on.
- logicchains 3y ago
  >I don't exactly understand what's going on. What do you think Jeffrey Epstein's island was being used for? Do you think he was filming rich and influential people sleeping with underage girls purely for his own amusement, with no intention to generate blackmail material on anyone? If not, who do you think inherited that blackmail material when he passed away under suspicious circumstances?
m000 3y ago
> It's almost like there's been some secret doctrine implemented. At least during Cold War, people were aware that there's a Cold War going on. Now everything is supposed to be fine and dandy, yet it feels we're constantly subjected to psy-ops even from "our side". I don't think that the rise of conspiracy theories in recent years is a coincidence: Something is in play, some people can "sense it" but there's just not enough information to pin it down. Moreover, existing preoccupations are exploited to push these people to fringe theories and make them a laughing stock.
- catlover76 3y ago
  There is no conspiracy theory needed; people are generally bigoted and biased, and the fact that the latest escalation was set off by a very brutal terrorist attack (or series thereof) by Hamas, a terrorist organization that doesn't really give off "freedom fighter" vibes, and which has a religious extremism component than titillates and scares people, only exacerbates the issue. This is just the past few decades of Western coverage of this conflict on steroids, or exaggerated so much that the bias is becoming obvious to people who never paid much attention before.
__turbobrew__ 3y ago
If you compare how many Palestinians are in power positions globally vs how many Israelis are in power positions globally it makes sense.

maksimur 3y ago

Can confirm it's the same Black Mirror level here, another European country. This is the third time I see this worrisome pattern in the last few years. I don't exactly understand what's going on.

logicchains 3y ago
>I don't exactly understand what's going on. What do you think Jeffrey Epstein's island was being used for? Do you think he was filming rich and influential people sleeping with underage girls purely for his own amusement, with no intention to generate blackmail material on anyone? If not, who do you think inherited that blackmail material when he passed away under suspicious circumstances?

m000 3y ago

> It's almost like there's been some secret doctrine implemented. At least during Cold War, people were aware that there's a Cold War going on. Now everything is supposed to be fine and dandy, yet it feels we're constantly subjected to psy-ops even from "our side". I don't think that the rise of conspiracy theories in recent years is a coincidence: Something is in play, some people can "sense it" but there's just not enough information to pin it down. Moreover, existing preoccupations are exploited to push these people to fringe theories and make them a laughing stock.

catlover76 3y ago
There is no conspiracy theory needed; people are generally bigoted and biased, and the fact that the latest escalation was set off by a very brutal terrorist attack (or series thereof) by Hamas, a terrorist organization that doesn't really give off "freedom fighter" vibes, and which has a religious extremism component than titillates and scares people, only exacerbates the issue. This is just the past few decades of Western coverage of this conflict on steroids, or exaggerated so much that the bias is becoming obvious to people who never paid much attention before.

__turbobrew__ 3y ago

If you compare how many Palestinians are in power positions globally vs how many Israelis are in power positions globally it makes sense.