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> ilegal stream let criminals in Suggesting the stream operators will hack your bank account. Reminds me ot the "pirate media will ruin your VCR/CDDVD Player f

> ilegal stream let criminals in Suggesting the stream operators will hack your bank account. Reminds me ot the "pirate media will ruin your VCR/CDDVD Player fake propaganda. Ironically... the virus came from a big reputable corporation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_BMG_copy_protection_rootkit_scandal https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_BMG_copy_protection_rootk.... A lot of industries would be in for some criticism and bad PR after that. But not these guys. They don't give a shit about reputation.

WarOnPrivacy 3y ago
>> illegal stream let criminals in This has so much opportunity for improvement. ex: Blatant Lies Let Stupidity In
- ChoHag 3y ago
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incahoots 3y ago
>let criminals in Bizarre that so many at the top will label ordinary people who don't like the idea of being gouged to watch their favorite team play as criminals. It's pretty ridiculous
- ThrowawayTestr 3y ago
  Piracy is a crime regardless of the morality of it.
  - incahoots 3y ago
    I suppose we should treat jaywalking with the same hard line approach. The justification for both only benefits those who can push such laws.
    - ThrowawayTestr 3y ago
      Everyone hates copyright until it's their work being stolen.
      - incahoots 3y ago
        Debatable at best. Art is produced out of passion, if the passion becomes overly monetized then it becomes pretty clear it stops being a reflection of the artist, and more so in the name of profit, which kills innovation. Take for example, Wes Anderson movies. They aren't ranking in the billions after a successful weekend, but they don't have too because the folks involved recognize it's a passion project. I mean the cast alone is indicative that they're willing to take on a role that pays maybe a quarter of what they normally receive in other flicks.
        ThrowawayTestr 3y ago
        The starving artist is a trope for a reason. Just admit that you don't want to pay for things.
        supertrope 3y ago
        Copyright doesn't provide an income floor to creative workers. Unions do.
        ThrowawayTestr 3y ago
        Copyright is what allows that income in the first place.
        supertrope 3y ago
        Income for the publishing company. A lot of musicians don't earn a dime from recording sales until the publishing company first gets a return on investment. Hence bands focusing on live performance revenue, selling CDs on the spot, and merchandise.
  - aegis4244 3y ago
    Violating laws against attacking and robbing ships at sea is terrible. Violating laws protecting imaginary property rights is quite another. Don't get them confused.
    - ThrowawayTestr 3y ago
      Taking something without paying for it is morally wrong, there's no justification for it. You aren't stealing bread to feed your family, you're stealing a tv show.
      - dirtyhippiefree 3y ago
        You’re replying to the guy who likes that it became •legally• wrong, with the full weight of the state behind it. Is this a good position? Why or why not?
      - derefr 3y ago
        Define "taking."
        ThrowawayTestr 3y ago
        Acquiring something without compensation.
        dirtyhippiefree 3y ago
        The record companies can claim they compensated the artist, even if the math is bogus. See Steve Albini’s open letter to the music industry for the full accounting…from the nineties when labels made their artists •really• dance for their shekels… Best example I know of Lawful Evil…
        derefr 3y ago
        Define "acquiring." You keep using words that inherently equivocate between transfer-of-property acts and copying-of-property acts. Choose your words more carefully, and then make the same argument.
  - dirtyhippiefree 3y ago
    Your statement thinks people being unindicted international felons (ACTA) is good for the country…somehow going overboard solves something… What, exactly?
    - ThrowawayTestr 3y ago
      I think criminals should be punished by the legal system. Stealing a TV or tv show, society breaks down when laws are not enforced.
      - dirtyhippiefree 3y ago
        [flagged]
- epolanski 3y ago
  Watching your team live isn't really a fundamental human necessity...It's a business and they pay billions for the TV rights..I think Sky alone pays Formula 1 1B per year. Doesn't EPL rights sell at around 5B per year? Those are...a lot of 30$ subscriptions to sell and it excludes production costs...
  - incahoots 3y ago
    I get that, and I have various thoughts on the matter, but I don't wish to divulge this thread into a debate about the morality of the matter. Regardless, there have been an absorbent amount of studies on this subject, with various inconclusive results. More reading here: https://techpolicyinstitute.org/publications/intellectual-property/copyright-and-piracy/the-truth-about-piracy/ https://techpolicyinstitute.org/publications/intellectual-pr... Also here: https://asistdl.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1002/asi.24592 https://asistdl.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1002/asi....
  - derefr 3y ago
    > It's a business and they pay billions for the TV rights..I think Sky alone pays Formula 1 1B per year. But that's the problem: people want to send a "this should cost less" signal, forcing broadcasters to make these deals for less, forcing the sports organizations to accept less. There's no cheaper alternative that people can legally buy to send that signal; so the only alternative that actually does signal price sensitivity, is pirating the thing.
ndiddy 3y ago
I don't typically agree with large media companies but in this case it's at least somewhat valid. A lot of the cheap IPTV boxes you can buy off of Amazon, etc. come pre-rooted and will periodically send data and retrieve commands from known botnet command & control servers. These have historically been used for things such as advertising fraud and selling access to residential IP addresses. https://www.hackread.com/android-tv-boxes-backdoors-home-networks/ https://www.hackread.com/android-tv-boxes-backdoors-home-net...
- derefr 3y ago
  So just run an IPTV app on an Apple TV. (There are dozens of them; amusingly, they occupy all of the top 20-or-so "top paid" slots on the Apple TV App Store charts.) Then you can trust not only that the app is sandboxed, but that it went through Apple's same paranoid App Store verification that everything else does.
f233f2 3y ago
You buy IPTV stream passwords (or whatever is used to log in) from some guy and once he knows your card details he can use them for anything else, yes. That's how it works.
- adamomada 3y ago
  Not really. Most places use crypto now and those that still also accept cash use PayPal or Kofi – they’re not getting card details. That’s how it works

WarOnPrivacy 3y ago

>> illegal stream let criminals in This has so much opportunity for improvement. ex: Blatant Lies Let Stupidity In

ChoHag 3y ago
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incahoots 3y ago

>let criminals in Bizarre that so many at the top will label ordinary people who don't like the idea of being gouged to watch their favorite team play as criminals. It's pretty ridiculous

ThrowawayTestr 3y ago
Piracy is a crime regardless of the morality of it.
- incahoots 3y ago
  I suppose we should treat jaywalking with the same hard line approach. The justification for both only benefits those who can push such laws.
  - ThrowawayTestr 3y ago
    Everyone hates copyright until it's their work being stolen.
    - incahoots 3y ago
      Debatable at best. Art is produced out of passion, if the passion becomes overly monetized then it becomes pretty clear it stops being a reflection of the artist, and more so in the name of profit, which kills innovation. Take for example, Wes Anderson movies. They aren't ranking in the billions after a successful weekend, but they don't have too because the folks involved recognize it's a passion project. I mean the cast alone is indicative that they're willing to take on a role that pays maybe a quarter of what they normally receive in other flicks.
      - ThrowawayTestr 3y ago
        The starving artist is a trope for a reason. Just admit that you don't want to pay for things.
        supertrope 3y ago
        Copyright doesn't provide an income floor to creative workers. Unions do.
        ThrowawayTestr 3y ago
        Copyright is what allows that income in the first place.
        supertrope 3y ago
        Income for the publishing company. A lot of musicians don't earn a dime from recording sales until the publishing company first gets a return on investment. Hence bands focusing on live performance revenue, selling CDs on the spot, and merchandise.
- aegis4244 3y ago
  Violating laws against attacking and robbing ships at sea is terrible. Violating laws protecting imaginary property rights is quite another. Don't get them confused.
  - ThrowawayTestr 3y ago
    Taking something without paying for it is morally wrong, there's no justification for it. You aren't stealing bread to feed your family, you're stealing a tv show.
    - dirtyhippiefree 3y ago
      You’re replying to the guy who likes that it became •legally• wrong, with the full weight of the state behind it. Is this a good position? Why or why not?
    - derefr 3y ago
      Define "taking."
      - ThrowawayTestr 3y ago
        Acquiring something without compensation.
        dirtyhippiefree 3y ago
        The record companies can claim they compensated the artist, even if the math is bogus. See Steve Albini’s open letter to the music industry for the full accounting…from the nineties when labels made their artists •really• dance for their shekels… Best example I know of Lawful Evil…
        derefr 3y ago
        Define "acquiring." You keep using words that inherently equivocate between transfer-of-property acts and copying-of-property acts. Choose your words more carefully, and then make the same argument.
- dirtyhippiefree 3y ago
  Your statement thinks people being unindicted international felons (ACTA) is good for the country…somehow going overboard solves something… What, exactly?
  - ThrowawayTestr 3y ago
    I think criminals should be punished by the legal system. Stealing a TV or tv show, society breaks down when laws are not enforced.
    - dirtyhippiefree 3y ago
      [flagged]
epolanski 3y ago
Watching your team live isn't really a fundamental human necessity...It's a business and they pay billions for the TV rights..I think Sky alone pays Formula 1 1B per year. Doesn't EPL rights sell at around 5B per year? Those are...a lot of 30$ subscriptions to sell and it excludes production costs...
- incahoots 3y ago
  I get that, and I have various thoughts on the matter, but I don't wish to divulge this thread into a debate about the morality of the matter. Regardless, there have been an absorbent amount of studies on this subject, with various inconclusive results. More reading here: https://techpolicyinstitute.org/publications/intellectual-property/copyright-and-piracy/the-truth-about-piracy/ https://techpolicyinstitute.org/publications/intellectual-pr... Also here: https://asistdl.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1002/asi.24592 https://asistdl.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1002/asi....
- derefr 3y ago
  > It's a business and they pay billions for the TV rights..I think Sky alone pays Formula 1 1B per year. But that's the problem: people want to send a "this should cost less" signal, forcing broadcasters to make these deals for less, forcing the sports organizations to accept less. There's no cheaper alternative that people can legally buy to send that signal; so the only alternative that actually does signal price sensitivity, is pirating the thing.

ndiddy 3y ago

I don't typically agree with large media companies but in this case it's at least somewhat valid. A lot of the cheap IPTV boxes you can buy off of Amazon, etc. come pre-rooted and will periodically send data and retrieve commands from known botnet command & control servers. These have historically been used for things such as advertising fraud and selling access to residential IP addresses. https://www.hackread.com/android-tv-boxes-backdoors-home-networks/ https://www.hackread.com/android-tv-boxes-backdoors-home-net...

derefr 3y ago
So just run an IPTV app on an Apple TV. (There are dozens of them; amusingly, they occupy all of the top 20-or-so "top paid" slots on the Apple TV App Store charts.) Then you can trust not only that the app is sandboxed, but that it went through Apple's same paranoid App Store verification that everything else does.

f233f2 3y ago

You buy IPTV stream passwords (or whatever is used to log in) from some guy and once he knows your card details he can use them for anything else, yes. That's how it works.

adamomada 3y ago
Not really. Most places use crypto now and those that still also accept cash use PayPal or Kofi – they’re not getting card details. That’s how it works