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It's going to take a majority of used ICE vehicles to reach disarray before I get an EV! It's not even that I'm against them specifically. Look at new ICE car

It's going to take a majority of used ICE vehicles to reach disarray before I get an EV! It's not even that I'm against them specifically. Look at new ICE cars, useless features and upsells. EVs are doing that but taking it to another degree. Like with any new thing, terms change I can't help but think Car 2.0 is going to continue down this rent seeking/nearly hostile pattern I'd rather fall back to a rusted beater than buy one of these, under these terms. Someone makes a mostly low-tech EV? I may be interested

rudolph9 3y ago
I’m in your boat. I’m tempted to buy a cyber truck and could probably accumulate the capital when I come up on the reservation list next year but the idea that I’m being tracked and I don’t “own” all the features in the car is really off putting to me. The ford lighting generally seems to be better in this regard but offer me the base model with longer range. I’m a big diy guy and I’m going to end up beating up a lot and I just want minimal features. For now I now I’ll stick with my 1996 K1500 6.5L diesel with 300k miles. It will probably run until I’m dead if I keep up basic maintenance.
- bravetraveler 3y ago
  The owning thing you talk about is it, for me. We're paying dozens of thousands of dollars for these things. They need to be serviceable, durable, and generally utilitarian. Especially with the common squeeze getting ever-tighter. The average consumer may not care and permit the EVs to take away what used to be expected... but I'm not having it.
fwungy 3y ago
Useless features required by federal regulations . There are all kinds of affordable, simple, proven private cars running decades old tech available in other countries, from Ladas to Land Cruisers.
- bravetraveler 3y ago
  Not all of my complaints originate with regulation but many surely do. A decent example of one I think is free/clear is OEM weight reduction. Pay more for them to do/include less. The argument is that it's for performance, but we're talking maybe a couple dozen pounds. Anyone buying that is the fool we heard about and their money.

rudolph9 3y ago

I’m in your boat. I’m tempted to buy a cyber truck and could probably accumulate the capital when I come up on the reservation list next year but the idea that I’m being tracked and I don’t “own” all the features in the car is really off putting to me. The ford lighting generally seems to be better in this regard but offer me the base model with longer range. I’m a big diy guy and I’m going to end up beating up a lot and I just want minimal features. For now I now I’ll stick with my 1996 K1500 6.5L diesel with 300k miles. It will probably run until I’m dead if I keep up basic maintenance.

bravetraveler 3y ago
The owning thing you talk about is it, for me. We're paying dozens of thousands of dollars for these things. They need to be serviceable, durable, and generally utilitarian. Especially with the common squeeze getting ever-tighter. The average consumer may not care and permit the EVs to take away what used to be expected... but I'm not having it.

fwungy 3y ago

Useless features required by federal regulations . There are all kinds of affordable, simple, proven private cars running decades old tech available in other countries, from Ladas to Land Cruisers.

bravetraveler 3y ago
Not all of my complaints originate with regulation but many surely do. A decent example of one I think is free/clear is OEM weight reduction. Pay more for them to do/include less. The argument is that it's for performance, but we're talking maybe a couple dozen pounds. Anyone buying that is the fool we heard about and their money.