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Yes, some of those things do sound silly... but they are not at all what most Christians believe.

by ensignavenger 3y ago

psiops 3y ago
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- ensignavenger 3y ago
  I wouldn't try to define a "true" Christian. But not any of the many Christian I have ever spoken to about their beliefs, nor any of the many Christian denominations I am familiar with.
kawhah 3y ago
Which part of the following is not believed by most Christians? > That God kinda-became human to "sacrifice" himself (with no loss, got up 3 days later to live forever, nothing was sacrificed) in order to forgive the sins of people, but only if they believe it
- ensignavenger 3y ago
  All of it? Specifically, the 'kind-of' - most Christians beleive Jesus was fully human/mortal. 'with no loss'- most Christians beleive Jesus gave the ultimate sacrifice, not only his mortal life, bit also profound and incomphrensible suffering (don't forget the events in Gethsemane, not just at the hands of the Sanhedrin and the Romans). Also his sacrifice went far beyond forgiving sins of beleivers. It included the promise of eventual resurection for for everyone, not just beleivers. (Details can vary among sects as well as individual persons as to the full impact of Christs sacrifice and resurection on unbeleivers, but the vast majority do beleive that there are effects for everyone, regardless of belief in this life or the next). Christianity and its doctines are much deeper and richer on these topics than this characature would imply.
  - kawhah 3y ago
    1. ok, so the word 'kinda' is not an essential part of the doctrine, got it. 2. 'profound and incomprehensible suffering' - what is Jesus supposed to have suffered which is different from many other humans who have been betrayed, tortured and killed? Whatever you think it is, it appears to be extra-biblical. The Gethsemane quote is just "my soul is exceedingly sorrowful, even unto death". Allowing for loss in translation this is an expression of suffering well within human experience. 3. 'the vast majority do beleive that there are effects for everyone, regardless of belief in this life or the next' Sorry, no. The vast majority of modern Christians belong to churches for which 'sola fide' is not just an essential part of their theology, but the foundation of their existence.
    - explaininjs 3y ago
      Rather, the lack of the word "kinda" is an essential part of the doctrine. And everyone is affected: even if they may not be saved, they are all still resurrected in the end days. This is uncontroversial, and documented throughout the bible. Here is a summary: https://www.desiringgod.org/articles/will-all-people-be-resurrected-or-just-believers https://www.desiringgod.org/articles/will-all-people-be-resu...
      - kawhah 3y ago
        Actually, it's super controversial, even among Christians. If it is documented through the Bible, that's not evinced by your link (to a conservative Evangelical website), which only cites Acts and John, two very closely related parts of the Bible. And neither of those says anything about the resurrection of those who are not saved happening because of Jesus's sacrifice.
        explaininjs 3y ago
        Hebrews also states that "we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all". And not sure why you say "conservative Evangelical" as if it means less. They are the most biblically-based sect around.

Yes, some of those things do sound silly... but they are not at all what most Christians believe.

psiops 3y ago

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ensignavenger 3y ago
I wouldn't try to define a "true" Christian. But not any of the many Christian I have ever spoken to about their beliefs, nor any of the many Christian denominations I am familiar with.

kawhah 3y ago

Which part of the following is not believed by most Christians? > That God kinda-became human to "sacrifice" himself (with no loss, got up 3 days later to live forever, nothing was sacrificed) in order to forgive the sins of people, but only if they believe it

ensignavenger 3y ago
All of it? Specifically, the 'kind-of' - most Christians beleive Jesus was fully human/mortal. 'with no loss'- most Christians beleive Jesus gave the ultimate sacrifice, not only his mortal life, bit also profound and incomphrensible suffering (don't forget the events in Gethsemane, not just at the hands of the Sanhedrin and the Romans). Also his sacrifice went far beyond forgiving sins of beleivers. It included the promise of eventual resurection for for everyone, not just beleivers. (Details can vary among sects as well as individual persons as to the full impact of Christs sacrifice and resurection on unbeleivers, but the vast majority do beleive that there are effects for everyone, regardless of belief in this life or the next). Christianity and its doctines are much deeper and richer on these topics than this characature would imply.
- kawhah 3y ago
  1. ok, so the word 'kinda' is not an essential part of the doctrine, got it. 2. 'profound and incomprehensible suffering' - what is Jesus supposed to have suffered which is different from many other humans who have been betrayed, tortured and killed? Whatever you think it is, it appears to be extra-biblical. The Gethsemane quote is just "my soul is exceedingly sorrowful, even unto death". Allowing for loss in translation this is an expression of suffering well within human experience. 3. 'the vast majority do beleive that there are effects for everyone, regardless of belief in this life or the next' Sorry, no. The vast majority of modern Christians belong to churches for which 'sola fide' is not just an essential part of their theology, but the foundation of their existence.
  - explaininjs 3y ago
    Rather, the lack of the word "kinda" is an essential part of the doctrine. And everyone is affected: even if they may not be saved, they are all still resurrected in the end days. This is uncontroversial, and documented throughout the bible. Here is a summary: https://www.desiringgod.org/articles/will-all-people-be-resurrected-or-just-believers https://www.desiringgod.org/articles/will-all-people-be-resu...
    - kawhah 3y ago
      Actually, it's super controversial, even among Christians. If it is documented through the Bible, that's not evinced by your link (to a conservative Evangelical website), which only cites Acts and John, two very closely related parts of the Bible. And neither of those says anything about the resurrection of those who are not saved happening because of Jesus's sacrifice.
      - explaininjs 3y ago
        Hebrews also states that "we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all". And not sure why you say "conservative Evangelical" as if it means less. They are the most biblically-based sect around.