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As a sidenote has anyone else been surprised by the extreme political iron-fist and omnipresent media control to side with Israel? When talking to colleagues,
by kossTKR 3y ago
As a sidenote has anyone else been surprised by the extreme political iron-fist and omnipresent media control to side with Israel?
When talking to colleagues, family, and even my Israeli friends there's a plurality of opinion, sadness, serious discussions, but when looking at mainstream media, even relatively moderate it seems like everyone and their grandma is screaming for bombs and are "tired of the stupid poor palestinians" like everyone forgot the enormous plights they have gone through, the hundreds of thousands dead over decades, the property stolen by settlers and that they were mostly moderate farmers before they were annexed and carpet bombed (There's countless of videos of this).
It's like living in a Black Mirror episode.
The worlds largest military carpet bombing a tiny strip of land and a downtrodden people, and i have never seen politicians this bloodthirsty.
At the same time i see very, very few public figures, colleagues included having the courage to call out the atrocities done by Israel continuously, for fear of "something" while there's never ending stories from the opposite side.
Can anyone tell me what that something is - and if this is some extreme geopolitical importance of Israel to the west that the idea of the western "free society" has finally come to some screeching halt?
How can there be such an enormous difference between "the man on the street" and the media landscape?
My grandparents fled war, and the way the west talking and behaving is so incredibly shameful to me, but i don't recognise this war hunger when i turn off the TV.
- howmayiannoyyou 3y ago[flagged]
- logicchains 3y ago[flagged]
- howmayiannoyyou 3y agoWrong. https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/israel-shows-raw-footage-hamas-162925865.html https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/israel-shows-raw-footage...
- logicchains 3y agoSo a bunch of journalists from pro-Israel publications claim to have seen videos of what the Israel Defense Force claim were atrocities committed by Hamas that day, yet no videos of these atrocities are available publicly. Surprising given how many people have phones capable of recording video, and how many videos there are of gruesome scenes from the bombings on the Palestinian side.
- kossTKR 3y agoSee this is exactly the extreme war hungry rhetoric i'm frightened by. Looking at historical context, calling for thinking before acting, looking at both sides, is not being a "useful" idiot. Especially when Israel has killed a hundredfold more palestinians over the span of decades and Israel itself helped create Hamas through these extremely violent hardliner measures: https://theintercept.com/2018/02/19/hamas-israel-palestine-conflict/ https://theintercept.com/2018/02/19/hamas-israel-palestine-c... I say we stop blood dripping revenge, we've already stuffed a million people into a concentration camp and effectively carpet bombed them for years, with lots of civilian casualties besides the Hamas that we can all agree to condemn.
- sharno 3y agoIf you were taken a hostage by terrorists, the government is trying to free you, would you prefer them to: - kill the terrorists and you OR - stay with the terrorists until the government figures out a peaceful way to free you first before attempting to kill the terrorists? Another Q: If you were living in a certain city, they found out that there are terrorists around your house, maybe they dug a tunnel close to you, would you prefer: - the army carpet bombing the area? - the army attempty by other means to get rid of the terrorists? * A hypothetical questions, not wishing you any harm
- ImaCake 3y agoAre you in the USA? Apparently the american media is particularly pro-israel. I am in Australia and find the media is very pro-israel but is happy to also say that israel’s actions are unsavory. I understand that Europe is much more balanced than Australia on this one.
- kossTKR 3y agoGreat question, i'm in a scandinavian country that is what is so surprising to me. I have family both here in the US and the UK, and everywhere seems to be the same. It's almost like there's been some secret doctrine implemented. As an example the "relatively" moderate labour parties of both Denmark and the UK as come out as pretty extreme militaristic hardliner supporters of Israel doubting the effectiveness of ceasefires, using vulgar language about the Palestinians and refusing to acknowledge any crimes committed by "their side". This is very surprising to me as i have family who fled the London bombings in WW2 and have always talked about the extreme importance of thinking clearly in conflicts, being merciful, never being going "hardliner" and most importantly being sceptical of military industrial complexes.
- maksimur 3y agoCan confirm it's the same Black Mirror level here, another European country. This is the third time I see this worrisome pattern in the last few years. I don't exactly understand what's going on.
- logicchains 3y ago>I don't exactly understand what's going on. What do you think Jeffrey Epstein's island was being used for? Do you think he was filming rich and influential people sleeping with underage girls purely for his own amusement, with no intention to generate blackmail material on anyone? If not, who do you think inherited that blackmail material when he passed away under suspicious circumstances?
- m000 3y ago> It's almost like there's been some secret doctrine implemented. At least during Cold War, people were aware that there's a Cold War going on. Now everything is supposed to be fine and dandy, yet it feels we're constantly subjected to psy-ops even from "our side". I don't think that the rise of conspiracy theories in recent years is a coincidence: Something is in play, some people can "sense it" but there's just not enough information to pin it down. Moreover, existing preoccupations are exploited to push these people to fringe theories and make them a laughing stock.
- collaborative 3y agoWe saw a sample of this when they ousted Corbyn
- logicchains 3y ago[flagged]
- dash2 3y ago[flagged]
- maksimur 3y agoAnti-Israeli at best. I didn't see the word Jewish.
- sph 3y agoQuit using the antisemitic victim card for people that dare criticize the State of Israel. It is frankly disgusting how any discussion about the Middle East gets shut down by dishonest cries of "antisemitism". You know very well what you are trying to do here and you should be ashamed of it.
- logicchains 3y agoIt's not a conspiracy theory, it's a blatant conspiracy, otherwise Epstein would have done hard jail time in 2008 for soliciting a child prostitute, like anyone else would, rather than getting to walk free on a plea deal. And some of the people on his client list would have gone to jail too.
- Cthulhu_ 3y agoBeing anti-Israel or anti-Zionism is not the same as being antisemitic. Antisemitic = I have problems with jewish people Anti-zionism = I have problems with the colonization of Israel and the displacement and murder of its Palestinian population Anti-Israel = I have problems with the state of Israel's treatment of the Palestinian population and its policies when it comes to Palestinian territory. Know the difference. It's OK to oppose morally indefensible actions and policies.
- quiquiqui 3y agoIt's weird because with so many Palestinians in the media, the state department, etc. you would think there would be overwhelming support for Palestine.
- dudul 3y agoI'm surprised that you're surprised. Hasn't it been the narrative for decades now? Israel is a strong strategic partner of the US, so NATO members usually side with them in this conflict.
- boffinAudio 3y agoUS Media is owned by US Bomb-makers. Fact. They want the war because it sells bombs.