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First of i doubt he's done that. Second, the Israeli military has killed much, much more people, including thousands of civilians, kids and mothers over a half

First of i doubt he's done that. Second, the Israeli military has killed much, much more people, including thousands of civilians, kids and mothers over a half a century. There are countless of videos and reports of rich settlers, harassing, stealing property and straight up killing regular palestinian farmers and families just living in their houses. And third. Israel has actively supported Hamas to destroy moderate opposition like the PLO - the good old divide and conquer strategy. So unless you also want to detain supporters of Israel this doesn't really make sense. And no, you shouldn't detain them either like this.

hef19898 3y ago
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- kossTKR 3y ago
  True, let's call it Apartheid then, not much better unfortunately. Also very important to highlight that most people living in Palestine were pretty provincial and moderate farmers before being carpet bombed by settlers which has unsurprisingly lead to extremism.
  - hef19898 3y ago
    Terror bombing never worked ever. What it does so, also confirmed hostorically by its biggest advocates like Sir Harris, is satisfying someones need for revenge. Hell, this whole middle east conflict is so fucked up, I do not see any way how it will ever be resolved. And obviously, getting rid of either Israel or Palestine is absolutely no option. A shame, in a different world Israel could have become the Switzerland of the Middle East, instead religious hardliners, on both / all sides of this conflict did their utmost to prevent that.
  - howmayiannoyyou 3y ago
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    - kossTKR 3y ago
      What a bizarre thing to say. I wan't the jewish state destroyed? You are seeing ghosts my friend. The fact that not carpet bombing and creating a huge concentration camp for millions that had their land annexed is now equal to wanting the Israel state destroyed is a testament to how one sided some of you people see thing conflict. I'm pro peace, anti carpet bombing, and i see that Hamas has been supported by Israel to weaken PLO, and that settlers have stolen property and killed palestinians which has led to this extremism now, at the same time i understand the importance of an israeli state, and i understand the horrors of living in fear of rockets, though they kill a hundredfold less than the Israeli military. It's not an even conflict in my yes.
      - howmayiannoyyou 3y ago
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    - hef19898 3y ago
      That is exactly not how I understand OP, regardless of a harsh choice of words. I do not like Israels policy around settlements and the treatment of Palestinians, for me this is just unacceptable. The same goes for calling for the destruction of Israel as a nation. People can actually critizise both things. And one thing should be clear: not all Palestinians are Hamas members, nor are all Israelians supporting the settlement policies or the Nethayahu government. Punishing everyone for actions of a few is not a thing I support.
  - hermitcrab 3y ago
    Amnesty International have referred to the Palestinian's situation as Apartheid: https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/campaigns/2022/02/israels-system-of-apartheid/ https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/campaigns/2022/02/israels-... Does that justify Hamas atrocities? No, of course not. But desparate people do desparate things. And every bomb the Israelis drop is just creating more hate for the future. Anyway isn't the Hamas leadership mostly living in Qatar?
    - hef19898 3y ago
      Of course leadership isn't living in the line of fire. They are not stupid, they don't blow up the place they live in. Or risk their own lives, now that they are leadership. Some things just never, ever change it seems.
- mardifoufs 3y ago
  Yep, they literally announced that settlements will be back in force a few months ago. https://www.timesofisrael.com/then-we-retake-gaza-hardline-minister-hails-repealing-of-west-bank-disengagement https://www.timesofisrael.com/then-we-retake-gaza-hardline-m...
  - hef19898 3y ago
    Man, Israel just not continuing this settlement policy would do so, so much to ease tension in the region. But taking real estate from other people by force became somewhat fashionable again.
kmlx 3y ago
> First of i doubt he's done that. https://twitter.com/CraigMurrayOrg/status/1713335006121140511 https://twitter.com/CraigMurrayOrg/status/171333500612114051... he's done exactly that. and he's done this as well: https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/may/11/former-ambassador-craig-murray-jailed-for-alex-salmond-case-blogposts https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/may/11/former-ambas...
- kossTKR 3y ago
  This is not support of Hamas though, it is an acknowledgement that there will understandable reactions to the ongoing carpet bombings and warcrimes done by Israel right now. I.e self defence from whatever group holds power there right now.
  - kmlx 3y ago
    you wrote: > This is not support of Hamas though, it is an acknowledgement that there will understandable reactions that guy wrote: > But in the coming Gaza genocide, every act of armed resistance by Hamas and Hezbollah will have my support. this isn't "acknowledgement", this is support for the terrorists.

hef19898 3y ago

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kossTKR 3y ago
True, let's call it Apartheid then, not much better unfortunately. Also very important to highlight that most people living in Palestine were pretty provincial and moderate farmers before being carpet bombed by settlers which has unsurprisingly lead to extremism.
- hef19898 3y ago
  Terror bombing never worked ever. What it does so, also confirmed hostorically by its biggest advocates like Sir Harris, is satisfying someones need for revenge. Hell, this whole middle east conflict is so fucked up, I do not see any way how it will ever be resolved. And obviously, getting rid of either Israel or Palestine is absolutely no option. A shame, in a different world Israel could have become the Switzerland of the Middle East, instead religious hardliners, on both / all sides of this conflict did their utmost to prevent that.
- howmayiannoyyou 3y ago
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  - kossTKR 3y ago
    What a bizarre thing to say. I wan't the jewish state destroyed? You are seeing ghosts my friend. The fact that not carpet bombing and creating a huge concentration camp for millions that had their land annexed is now equal to wanting the Israel state destroyed is a testament to how one sided some of you people see thing conflict. I'm pro peace, anti carpet bombing, and i see that Hamas has been supported by Israel to weaken PLO, and that settlers have stolen property and killed palestinians which has led to this extremism now, at the same time i understand the importance of an israeli state, and i understand the horrors of living in fear of rockets, though they kill a hundredfold less than the Israeli military. It's not an even conflict in my yes.
    - howmayiannoyyou 3y ago
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  - hef19898 3y ago
    That is exactly not how I understand OP, regardless of a harsh choice of words. I do not like Israels policy around settlements and the treatment of Palestinians, for me this is just unacceptable. The same goes for calling for the destruction of Israel as a nation. People can actually critizise both things. And one thing should be clear: not all Palestinians are Hamas members, nor are all Israelians supporting the settlement policies or the Nethayahu government. Punishing everyone for actions of a few is not a thing I support.
- hermitcrab 3y ago
  Amnesty International have referred to the Palestinian's situation as Apartheid: https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/campaigns/2022/02/israels-system-of-apartheid/ https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/campaigns/2022/02/israels-... Does that justify Hamas atrocities? No, of course not. But desparate people do desparate things. And every bomb the Israelis drop is just creating more hate for the future. Anyway isn't the Hamas leadership mostly living in Qatar?
  - hef19898 3y ago
    Of course leadership isn't living in the line of fire. They are not stupid, they don't blow up the place they live in. Or risk their own lives, now that they are leadership. Some things just never, ever change it seems.
mardifoufs 3y ago
Yep, they literally announced that settlements will be back in force a few months ago. https://www.timesofisrael.com/then-we-retake-gaza-hardline-minister-hails-repealing-of-west-bank-disengagement https://www.timesofisrael.com/then-we-retake-gaza-hardline-m...
- hef19898 3y ago
  Man, Israel just not continuing this settlement policy would do so, so much to ease tension in the region. But taking real estate from other people by force became somewhat fashionable again.

kmlx 3y ago

> First of i doubt he's done that. https://twitter.com/CraigMurrayOrg/status/1713335006121140511 https://twitter.com/CraigMurrayOrg/status/171333500612114051... he's done exactly that. and he's done this as well: https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/may/11/former-ambassador-craig-murray-jailed-for-alex-salmond-case-blogposts https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/may/11/former-ambas...

kossTKR 3y ago
This is not support of Hamas though, it is an acknowledgement that there will understandable reactions to the ongoing carpet bombings and warcrimes done by Israel right now. I.e self defence from whatever group holds power there right now.
- kmlx 3y ago
  you wrote: > This is not support of Hamas though, it is an acknowledgement that there will understandable reactions that guy wrote: > But in the coming Gaza genocide, every act of armed resistance by Hamas and Hezbollah will have my support. this isn't "acknowledgement", this is support for the terrorists.