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For personal use as a photo frame I couldn't care less about refresh rate, even if it was 5 minutes to replace the image. As long as the resolution and color sp

by Aaargh20318 3y ago

For personal use as a photo frame I couldn't care less about refresh rate, even if it was 5 minutes to replace the image. As long as the resolution and color space are good enough to display photos. I'd love to have a few of these in my home and then have them change the photo each night. Much easier than changing out prints of my photos.

steveBK123 3y ago
Resolution is respectable it seems, roughly 3k 画面解像度 3200×1800 Not quite UHD, but more than HD.
qwerty456127 3y ago
And for me, dreaming of lo-fi paper-like (no animation, no unnecessary display elements, humble palette, no light emission) working and studying experience, the refresh time has to fit under 1 second (ideally somewhat higher, at least for partial updates, but 10Hz will be more than enough) and the colour space is irrelevant. I'd love either a palletre of 4-8 slightly-grayish (like I've seen on some eBooks) colours or just a good grayscale. Even a simple black-white would do.
- Aaargh20318 3y ago
  That sounds exactly like e-paper devices that already exist. Something like a Kindle Scribe.
  - dredmorbius 3y ago
    This. Such devices have been on the market for years. I've owned an Onyx BOOX Max Lumi (13.3" e-ink Android tablet) for nearly 3 years now. Monochrome 16-shade greyscale (with dithering for better presentation of images). It's excellent for reading straight text, line drawings, and most webpages, though a pagination-based navigation is much preferable to scrolling. Refresh is ~8--16 Hz, though that varies by display mode. It's possible to view video on the device, though you'd generally prefer not to. Animations are generally annoying A.F.
- awiesenhofer 3y ago
  What you describe already exists in multiple ereaders and eink tablets. Check out Bigme or Onyx Boox tablets or displays, they come in all sizes, some with color some bw, and their tablets run pretty much standard Android. Great for studying, etc.
  - qwerty456127 3y ago
    I don't want Android, I want a real desktop OS and at least 15″ display. As for e-books, of course I have one and use it to read books. But I also want to use e-ink for everything else I normally do on a computer (I mostly do it slowly so low refresh rate is Ok), including full-featured window management.
    - Aaargh20318 3y ago
      e-paper monitors do exist, for example: https://shop.dasung.com/products/dasung-25-3-curved-e-ink-monitor-paperlike-253-u https://shop.dasung.com/products/dasung-25-3-curved-e-ink-mo...
hattmall 3y ago
You know, that almost sounds like a printer. Like what if a print head could hide in a frame. Move up/down and across whole printing, and if it weren't on some sort of reusable surface, like a dry erase board. Higher power requirement of course but would be really cool for art.
- neilv 3y ago
  Maybe like cafes that have an artist (sometimes doubling as a barista) do their interior signage by hand, sometimes in chalk on blackboard, or in neon marker... one could rig up something like an X-Y flatbed pen plotter, with additional axes for chalk/pen angle. That's great for a one-off enthusiast project, and make a blog post and video about it. Or, if it's instead tech industry SOP: Tie it into a subscription cloud service for updating the signs (initially free), with a tablet UI for the independent cafe manager, and enterprise management dashboard for chains of cafes with mass-produced homey feel, and also run display ads for whatever revenue, and spy on all the business's data that goes through it, to sell the surveillance data to whomever will pay. Back to the original inspiration: maybe the artist enjoys drawing the signs, and can do it in a more appealing, humanized, genuine way, so automating it would be counterproductive, at least for independent cafes.
  - Forgeties79 3y ago
    I both love and hate this comment so much lol
- carlosjobim 3y ago
  > Like what if a print head could hide in a frame. Move up/down and across whole printing, and if it weren't on some sort of reusable surface, like a dry erase board. You know, that almost sounds like eInk ;)

steveBK123 3y ago

Resolution is respectable it seems, roughly 3k 画面解像度 3200×1800 Not quite UHD, but more than HD.

qwerty456127 3y ago

And for me, dreaming of lo-fi paper-like (no animation, no unnecessary display elements, humble palette, no light emission) working and studying experience, the refresh time has to fit under 1 second (ideally somewhat higher, at least for partial updates, but 10Hz will be more than enough) and the colour space is irrelevant. I'd love either a palletre of 4-8 slightly-grayish (like I've seen on some eBooks) colours or just a good grayscale. Even a simple black-white would do.

Aaargh20318 3y ago
That sounds exactly like e-paper devices that already exist. Something like a Kindle Scribe.
- dredmorbius 3y ago
  This. Such devices have been on the market for years. I've owned an Onyx BOOX Max Lumi (13.3" e-ink Android tablet) for nearly 3 years now. Monochrome 16-shade greyscale (with dithering for better presentation of images). It's excellent for reading straight text, line drawings, and most webpages, though a pagination-based navigation is much preferable to scrolling. Refresh is ~8--16 Hz, though that varies by display mode. It's possible to view video on the device, though you'd generally prefer not to. Animations are generally annoying A.F.
awiesenhofer 3y ago
What you describe already exists in multiple ereaders and eink tablets. Check out Bigme or Onyx Boox tablets or displays, they come in all sizes, some with color some bw, and their tablets run pretty much standard Android. Great for studying, etc.
- qwerty456127 3y ago
  I don't want Android, I want a real desktop OS and at least 15″ display. As for e-books, of course I have one and use it to read books. But I also want to use e-ink for everything else I normally do on a computer (I mostly do it slowly so low refresh rate is Ok), including full-featured window management.
  - Aaargh20318 3y ago
    e-paper monitors do exist, for example: https://shop.dasung.com/products/dasung-25-3-curved-e-ink-monitor-paperlike-253-u https://shop.dasung.com/products/dasung-25-3-curved-e-ink-mo...

hattmall 3y ago

You know, that almost sounds like a printer. Like what if a print head could hide in a frame. Move up/down and across whole printing, and if it weren't on some sort of reusable surface, like a dry erase board. Higher power requirement of course but would be really cool for art.

neilv 3y ago
Maybe like cafes that have an artist (sometimes doubling as a barista) do their interior signage by hand, sometimes in chalk on blackboard, or in neon marker... one could rig up something like an X-Y flatbed pen plotter, with additional axes for chalk/pen angle. That's great for a one-off enthusiast project, and make a blog post and video about it. Or, if it's instead tech industry SOP: Tie it into a subscription cloud service for updating the signs (initially free), with a tablet UI for the independent cafe manager, and enterprise management dashboard for chains of cafes with mass-produced homey feel, and also run display ads for whatever revenue, and spy on all the business's data that goes through it, to sell the surveillance data to whomever will pay. Back to the original inspiration: maybe the artist enjoys drawing the signs, and can do it in a more appealing, humanized, genuine way, so automating it would be counterproductive, at least for independent cafes.
- Forgeties79 3y ago
  I both love and hate this comment so much lol
carlosjobim 3y ago
> Like what if a print head could hide in a frame. Move up/down and across whole printing, and if it weren't on some sort of reusable surface, like a dry erase board. You know, that almost sounds like eInk ;)