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Looking at the comments here, fairly clear to see hacker news' gender imbalance / biases...

Jensson 3y ago
We trust the experts instead of random anecdotes. In this case the experts thinks that women prefer clothes without noticeable pockets, so that is what they sell. Can you explain why you think the experts are wrong and your hunch is right?
- hef19898 3y ago
  Because, as others pointed out, those "experts" don't seem to listen to women. Excibit A: Too small pockets on women's jeans are a meme now.
  - Jensson 3y ago
    It being a meme doesn't mean that women doesn't prefer the looks of small pockets. What they want is to have the looks of small pockets but still have large pockets, that is really hard to satisfy.
    - formerly_proven 3y ago
      According to the memes nobody has been buying even a single GPU for years, as they are all far too large, power hungry and expensive.
  - Veen 3y ago
    The experts are women. Maybe you should listen to the women who run the fashion industry instead of assuming you know better.
- smegger001 3y ago
  Because clothing designers are famouslys self selected for prefering form over function.
  - nordsieck 3y ago
    > Because clothing designers are famouslys self selected for prefering form over function. And yet, it's easy to find cargo pants and fishing vests if you want to own such clothing.
    - hef19898 3y ago
      Clothing =|= fashion. There is a differwence between clothed and dressed that a lot of people don't get. I can't think of us Germans having two different terms for that actually, which might explain certain things...
      - nordsieck 3y ago
        > Clothing =|= fashion. Well, clothing that isn't fashion needs to be designed too. So apparently some designers can favor function over fashion.
    - smegger001 3y ago
      Fishing vests arent standard piece of clothing more along the lines of sporting equipment than garment. As for cargo pants generally only easy to find for one sex and often (though not always) found grouped with garments made especially for physical labour rather than casual wear like other pants like jeans or slacks. And are treated as objects of derision by those that fallow fashion.
- forty 3y ago
  If the experts think that women are objects whose main purpose is to be pretty to satisfy the men's eyes, and as such, they need clothes more pretty than useful, then maybe we should not listen to them :)
  - lotsofpulp 3y ago
    No one is forcing you (or women) to listen to “them”. Women have long been leaders in the clothes design business. And if I were to guess, leaders in the business probably care more about earning more money rather than subjugating women so that they satisfy men’s eyes.
    - forty 3y ago
      Sorry, but it's a bit naive on how fashion works. A few people decide what trend is going to be, then they have enough communication power (via media, "stars", social media, etc) to brainwash everyone into thinking they absolutely need to look like to this standard. It's key for the fashion industry to work this way, so that they can change the standard every 6 months and sell more things.
      - deleted 3y ago
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      - lotsofpulp 3y ago
        I think women are do more analysis than just buying what is being pushed via advertising. Also, I see women (and men) wearing many different styles every day, so not sure how effective your supposed fashion cabal is. Just dropping the kids off at daycare, there must be at least 4 or 5 distinct looks just amongst the women in their 20s.
        forty 3y ago
        I'm sure the fashion cabal as you say is able to come with a bunch of different looks every 6 months. Of course everyone is more or less sensitive to these stuff, but overall it works extremely well (and if like me, you think "this stuff doesn't work at all in me, I don't give a shit about clothes", be sure that someone in the cabal have thought of you and decided what people who don't give a shit would wear too)
- nerdponx 3y ago
  What experts? All the women posting in this thread telling you they want bigger pockets and can't find pants they have bigger pockets? Those are the only experts worth listening to: the actual people affected by these decisions! Yours is precisely the same twisted illogic that prevents progress on a whole variety of economic and social issues. As an extreme but hopefully illustrative case, consider that the people who listened to the "experts" on the topic of smoking tobacco in the first half of the 20th century had a substantially elevated probability of dying from lung cancer or heart disease.
  - Jensson 3y ago
    Women doesn't have to listen to men on this, if there is massive demand then they can make a startup and get rich. Many women have already tried that, you would have to explain to me why all of those failed to give women pockets if demand for it was so massive.
    - nerdponx 3y ago
      There's no guarantee that massive demand implies profitable startup potential. Where are the women's pants startups? Show me a few that failed.

We trust the experts instead of random anecdotes. In this case the experts thinks that women prefer clothes without noticeable pockets, so that is what they sell. Can you explain why you think the experts are wrong and your hunch is right?

hef19898 3y ago
Because, as others pointed out, those "experts" don't seem to listen to women. Excibit A: Too small pockets on women's jeans are a meme now.
- Jensson 3y ago
  It being a meme doesn't mean that women doesn't prefer the looks of small pockets. What they want is to have the looks of small pockets but still have large pockets, that is really hard to satisfy.
  - formerly_proven 3y ago
    According to the memes nobody has been buying even a single GPU for years, as they are all far too large, power hungry and expensive.
- Veen 3y ago
  The experts are women. Maybe you should listen to the women who run the fashion industry instead of assuming you know better.
smegger001 3y ago
Because clothing designers are famouslys self selected for prefering form over function.
- nordsieck 3y ago
  > Because clothing designers are famouslys self selected for prefering form over function. And yet, it's easy to find cargo pants and fishing vests if you want to own such clothing.
  - hef19898 3y ago
    Clothing =|= fashion. There is a differwence between clothed and dressed that a lot of people don't get. I can't think of us Germans having two different terms for that actually, which might explain certain things...
    - nordsieck 3y ago
      > Clothing =|= fashion. Well, clothing that isn't fashion needs to be designed too. So apparently some designers can favor function over fashion.
  - smegger001 3y ago
    Fishing vests arent standard piece of clothing more along the lines of sporting equipment than garment. As for cargo pants generally only easy to find for one sex and often (though not always) found grouped with garments made especially for physical labour rather than casual wear like other pants like jeans or slacks. And are treated as objects of derision by those that fallow fashion.
forty 3y ago
If the experts think that women are objects whose main purpose is to be pretty to satisfy the men's eyes, and as such, they need clothes more pretty than useful, then maybe we should not listen to them :)
- lotsofpulp 3y ago
  No one is forcing you (or women) to listen to “them”. Women have long been leaders in the clothes design business. And if I were to guess, leaders in the business probably care more about earning more money rather than subjugating women so that they satisfy men’s eyes.
  - forty 3y ago
    Sorry, but it's a bit naive on how fashion works. A few people decide what trend is going to be, then they have enough communication power (via media, "stars", social media, etc) to brainwash everyone into thinking they absolutely need to look like to this standard. It's key for the fashion industry to work this way, so that they can change the standard every 6 months and sell more things.
    - deleted 3y ago
      [deleted]
    - lotsofpulp 3y ago
      I think women are do more analysis than just buying what is being pushed via advertising. Also, I see women (and men) wearing many different styles every day, so not sure how effective your supposed fashion cabal is. Just dropping the kids off at daycare, there must be at least 4 or 5 distinct looks just amongst the women in their 20s.
      - forty 3y ago
        I'm sure the fashion cabal as you say is able to come with a bunch of different looks every 6 months. Of course everyone is more or less sensitive to these stuff, but overall it works extremely well (and if like me, you think "this stuff doesn't work at all in me, I don't give a shit about clothes", be sure that someone in the cabal have thought of you and decided what people who don't give a shit would wear too)
nerdponx 3y ago
What experts? All the women posting in this thread telling you they want bigger pockets and can't find pants they have bigger pockets? Those are the only experts worth listening to: the actual people affected by these decisions! Yours is precisely the same twisted illogic that prevents progress on a whole variety of economic and social issues. As an extreme but hopefully illustrative case, consider that the people who listened to the "experts" on the topic of smoking tobacco in the first half of the 20th century had a substantially elevated probability of dying from lung cancer or heart disease.
- Jensson 3y ago
  Women doesn't have to listen to men on this, if there is massive demand then they can make a startup and get rich. Many women have already tried that, you would have to explain to me why all of those failed to give women pockets if demand for it was so massive.
  - nerdponx 3y ago
    There's no guarantee that massive demand implies profitable startup potential. Where are the women's pants startups? Show me a few that failed.