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I can't imagine why? Personally, Apple and now Kagi are the only companies I like to give money to. Apart from that, I like to donate time and money to open s

I can't imagine why? Personally, Apple and now Kagi are the only companies I like to give money to. Apart from that, I like to donate time and money to open source.

tomohelix 3y ago
Apple? I hate that company for the anti-competitive practices. They literally tried making everything proprietary. It took the entire EU and a targeted law to make them adopt the USB-C.
- robertlagrant 3y ago
  > They literally tried making everything proprietary. It took the entire EU and a targeted law to make them adopt the USB-C. Erm no, my MacBooks have had USB-C for a while, as USB-C is better for data transfer. Their proprietary version for phones predates USB-C, because it was far better than the alternative, and it presumably added competition that meant USB-C needed to exist and be invested in. That won't happen again, or at least in the EU markets.
  - tomohelix 3y ago
    I don't think the first iterations of lightning was far better than USB 2. It has some features but overall was about the same. Then USB C came out and apple was left stagnant for more than 10 years with zero innovation. Also, the new law has nothing against making a better port than C so I think you are mistaken.
    - robertlagrant 3y ago
      > Also, the new law has nothing against making a better port than C so I think you are mistaken. How does that work, if they have to use USB-C?
      - tomohelix 3y ago
        The law is about "harmonisation of charging protocols" and currently USB C is just the standard for everything, so it is set as the target for people to "harmonise" to. They don't specifically require the standard to be USB C and if a new tech comes out that is clearly superior, the law mentioned a Commission can be formed to make a judgement on switching. Page 17 of the law document. > The Commission shall continuously assess market developments, market fragmentation and technical progress with the view to identify categories or classes of radio equipment capable of being recharged via wired charging for which the inclusion in Part I of Annex Ia would lead to significant consumer convenience and reduction of environmental waste. The Commission shall report such assessment to the European Parliament and to the Council, for the first time by [3 years after the date of entry-into-force of this Directive] and every 5 years thereafter, and adopt delegated acts pursuant to Article 3, paragraph 4, first subparagraph, point a) accordingly
        robertlagrant 3y ago
        How will a new tech emerge if they have to use this tech?
        tomohelix 3y ago
        Same way it happened before. By being implemented on devices that are not limited to just one port first, prove its superiority, then get adopted on phones where they can't have more than one port. Laptops with USB 2 ports were still popular after C was introduced. They just get phased out eventually. Your Mac now only has USB-C isn't it?
        robertlagrant 3y ago
        It happened before by it being on phones for a long time. The correct answer is that it will be proven in markets that promote the sort of competition that got us modern smartphones in the first place.
    - bombcar 3y ago
      Lightning was both way better than the 30 pin connector, and better the micro or mini USB. It’s pretty obvious (to me) that Apple was going to go USB C on the iPhone, but that they didn’t like the precedent of being told to do so ( they had already done it on the iPad).
      - tomohelix 3y ago
        Better than 30pin for sure, but compared to regular USB, it wasn't that much of a difference to the average end consumers. And the reason Apple didn't want to go to USB-C is because of money. Selling proprietary, licensed products to hundreds of millions is too lucrative.
        BeFlatXIII 3y ago
        > it wasn't that much of a difference to the average end consumers. Reversibility doesn't matter to normies? News to me.
        JohnFen 3y ago
        I don't think it really does matter much to the majority of people, no.
willis936 3y ago
I recently gave Apple $800 for some smart watches. UPS never delivered and lost or stole them while returning them to Apple. I've been on the phone with Apple once a week for the past month. It's all been very cordial. They have repeatedly "issued the refund", said I'm not at fault, etc. but the money has not been returned to me. At the end of the day they are holding a fair chunk of my cash that would be earning interest in escrow indefinitely. This is a case where a chargeback would be warranted, but if I did that then my Apple account would be locked out. This made me realize I have too many digital eggs in one basket. Even if I liked Apple more than other options I was taught that I should never put myself in a position where it is painful to walk away.

I can't imagine why? Personally, Apple and now Kagi are the only companies I like to give money to. Apart from that, I like to donate time and money to open source.

tomohelix 3y ago

Apple? I hate that company for the anti-competitive practices. They literally tried making everything proprietary. It took the entire EU and a targeted law to make them adopt the USB-C.

robertlagrant 3y ago
> They literally tried making everything proprietary. It took the entire EU and a targeted law to make them adopt the USB-C. Erm no, my MacBooks have had USB-C for a while, as USB-C is better for data transfer. Their proprietary version for phones predates USB-C, because it was far better than the alternative, and it presumably added competition that meant USB-C needed to exist and be invested in. That won't happen again, or at least in the EU markets.
- tomohelix 3y ago
  I don't think the first iterations of lightning was far better than USB 2. It has some features but overall was about the same. Then USB C came out and apple was left stagnant for more than 10 years with zero innovation. Also, the new law has nothing against making a better port than C so I think you are mistaken.
  - robertlagrant 3y ago
    > Also, the new law has nothing against making a better port than C so I think you are mistaken. How does that work, if they have to use USB-C?
    - tomohelix 3y ago
      The law is about "harmonisation of charging protocols" and currently USB C is just the standard for everything, so it is set as the target for people to "harmonise" to. They don't specifically require the standard to be USB C and if a new tech comes out that is clearly superior, the law mentioned a Commission can be formed to make a judgement on switching. Page 17 of the law document. > The Commission shall continuously assess market developments, market fragmentation and technical progress with the view to identify categories or classes of radio equipment capable of being recharged via wired charging for which the inclusion in Part I of Annex Ia would lead to significant consumer convenience and reduction of environmental waste. The Commission shall report such assessment to the European Parliament and to the Council, for the first time by [3 years after the date of entry-into-force of this Directive] and every 5 years thereafter, and adopt delegated acts pursuant to Article 3, paragraph 4, first subparagraph, point a) accordingly
      - robertlagrant 3y ago
        How will a new tech emerge if they have to use this tech?
        tomohelix 3y ago
        Same way it happened before. By being implemented on devices that are not limited to just one port first, prove its superiority, then get adopted on phones where they can't have more than one port. Laptops with USB 2 ports were still popular after C was introduced. They just get phased out eventually. Your Mac now only has USB-C isn't it?
        robertlagrant 3y ago
        It happened before by it being on phones for a long time. The correct answer is that it will be proven in markets that promote the sort of competition that got us modern smartphones in the first place.
  - bombcar 3y ago
    Lightning was both way better than the 30 pin connector, and better the micro or mini USB. It’s pretty obvious (to me) that Apple was going to go USB C on the iPhone, but that they didn’t like the precedent of being told to do so ( they had already done it on the iPad).
    - tomohelix 3y ago
      Better than 30pin for sure, but compared to regular USB, it wasn't that much of a difference to the average end consumers. And the reason Apple didn't want to go to USB-C is because of money. Selling proprietary, licensed products to hundreds of millions is too lucrative.
      - BeFlatXIII 3y ago
        > it wasn't that much of a difference to the average end consumers. Reversibility doesn't matter to normies? News to me.
        JohnFen 3y ago
        I don't think it really does matter much to the majority of people, no.

willis936 3y ago

I recently gave Apple $800 for some smart watches. UPS never delivered and lost or stole them while returning them to Apple. I've been on the phone with Apple once a week for the past month. It's all been very cordial. They have repeatedly "issued the refund", said I'm not at fault, etc. but the money has not been returned to me. At the end of the day they are holding a fair chunk of my cash that would be earning interest in escrow indefinitely. This is a case where a chargeback would be warranted, but if I did that then my Apple account would be locked out. This made me realize I have too many digital eggs in one basket. Even if I liked Apple more than other options I was taught that I should never put myself in a position where it is painful to walk away.