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My friend changed her mind at the final moment. It was too late. She oscillated on the topic, going from normality to suicidal ideation. What you might call aut

My friend changed her mind at the final moment. It was too late. She oscillated on the topic, going from normality to suicidal ideation. What you might call autonomy, I call her darkest moments. When that mood wasn't upon her, she laughed, she loved, she had aspirations, passions dreams and plans. All dashed forever.

caslon 3y ago
Yes, depression isn't constant for everyone. That doesn't mean a person isn't responsible for their own decisions, and it doesn't mean the state should step in to force them out of their decisions. Especially without offering some form of relief for something other than symptoms. A person can "live, laugh, love," as much as you'd like them to. They can have all the aspirations and plans in the world and still ultimately not want to be alive. Just because one is afraid to die does not mean they'd want to be alive if they could flip a switch for it. When I go, it will not be because of a momentary lapse in judgment as you imply. It will be something I've contemplated at good length for years on. Outside of pseudonymity, I will tell my acquaintances and friends that I am doing well. I will be doing well. It doesn't change how I ultimately feel about the subject. A "normal" does not invalidate what will happen in moments where someone finally works up the nerve to go through with something, because it isn't insanity that causes suicidal ideation. It's something calculated. Sharing information on how to do it with the least amount of misery helps, it doesn't hurt.
- superchroma 3y ago
  What you are saying is "don't tell me how I feel", and I'm not. What I am saying is that I don't care how you feel because the internal experience isn't a universal one. Do it, or don't, I don't actually care, but don't come around participating in discussions about rules and policy for a world you're prepared to leave behind. There are actually vulnerable people throwing good things away, who might actually be helped, and those who the approach you prescribe (the status quo) lets down.
  - caslon 3y ago
    I'm not saying that you shouldn't tell me how to feel; I don't care about feelings about this. This is about rights, not feelings. I'm saying I'm going to participate in these discussions, because unlike you, I actually have a stake in them. Taking away information takes away rights. Rights that I might use, or rights that your friend used, or could have used to make the end less scary. In this sense, it is you who shouldn't have a say in it. Your friend knew what they were doing. You seem to argue only because of your feelings, basing your view around how their death affected you. Information shouldn't be taken away from vulnerable people solely to protect those around them, because they can't handle the choices of others about themselves. That's deeply flawed as a way to build a society. If you want to stop people from killing themselves, don't take away information. Don't advocate for outright fascist laws like the UK's Online Safety Bill, which this article is made to push forward. Advocate for actually making lives better. Making the world slightly more fascist isn't going to help anyone.
    - superchroma 3y ago
      Don't be ridiculous. People aren't on that forum for information. Suicide isn't a science. Furthermore, you're a fraud. You don't care about rights. Protecting rights is a constant sacrifice. If you're not prepared to stick around for the rights you think you and people like you are entitled to, you're unserious. You're larping as someone who cares. People like me will be around long after you're gone to fight to take away the rights you claim to care about. Additionally, you have zero validity to speak about how my friend felt or what they knew.
      - caslon 3y ago
        Suicide is a science. It's hard to get a successful attempt, and without proper information people mess it up and end up more miserable than they started. Fascists tend to survive longer than the victims of their policies.
arrowsmith 3y ago
I'm sorry but I find your post a bit cryptic. Are you saying that your friend committed suicide? I'm sorry to hear that. But how do you know that she changed her mind at the final moment, and why was it then too late?
- smcl 3y ago
  It happens - committing to doing the act, then having a change of heart and phoning 999/911/112 for help which doesn't come in time.
- superchroma 3y ago
  Because she begged for help and screamed before she died, live-streamed to a server of people. Emergency services came too late. It was indescribably damaging to watch and hear.
  - smcl 3y ago
    That's terrible, I'm sorry to hear

caslon 3y ago

Yes, depression isn't constant for everyone. That doesn't mean a person isn't responsible for their own decisions, and it doesn't mean the state should step in to force them out of their decisions. Especially without offering some form of relief for something other than symptoms. A person can "live, laugh, love," as much as you'd like them to. They can have all the aspirations and plans in the world and still ultimately not want to be alive. Just because one is afraid to die does not mean they'd want to be alive if they could flip a switch for it. When I go, it will not be because of a momentary lapse in judgment as you imply. It will be something I've contemplated at good length for years on. Outside of pseudonymity, I will tell my acquaintances and friends that I am doing well. I will be doing well. It doesn't change how I ultimately feel about the subject. A "normal" does not invalidate what will happen in moments where someone finally works up the nerve to go through with something, because it isn't insanity that causes suicidal ideation. It's something calculated. Sharing information on how to do it with the least amount of misery helps, it doesn't hurt.

superchroma 3y ago
What you are saying is "don't tell me how I feel", and I'm not. What I am saying is that I don't care how you feel because the internal experience isn't a universal one. Do it, or don't, I don't actually care, but don't come around participating in discussions about rules and policy for a world you're prepared to leave behind. There are actually vulnerable people throwing good things away, who might actually be helped, and those who the approach you prescribe (the status quo) lets down.
- caslon 3y ago
  I'm not saying that you shouldn't tell me how to feel; I don't care about feelings about this. This is about rights, not feelings. I'm saying I'm going to participate in these discussions, because unlike you, I actually have a stake in them. Taking away information takes away rights. Rights that I might use, or rights that your friend used, or could have used to make the end less scary. In this sense, it is you who shouldn't have a say in it. Your friend knew what they were doing. You seem to argue only because of your feelings, basing your view around how their death affected you. Information shouldn't be taken away from vulnerable people solely to protect those around them, because they can't handle the choices of others about themselves. That's deeply flawed as a way to build a society. If you want to stop people from killing themselves, don't take away information. Don't advocate for outright fascist laws like the UK's Online Safety Bill, which this article is made to push forward. Advocate for actually making lives better. Making the world slightly more fascist isn't going to help anyone.
  - superchroma 3y ago
    Don't be ridiculous. People aren't on that forum for information. Suicide isn't a science. Furthermore, you're a fraud. You don't care about rights. Protecting rights is a constant sacrifice. If you're not prepared to stick around for the rights you think you and people like you are entitled to, you're unserious. You're larping as someone who cares. People like me will be around long after you're gone to fight to take away the rights you claim to care about. Additionally, you have zero validity to speak about how my friend felt or what they knew.
    - caslon 3y ago
      Suicide is a science. It's hard to get a successful attempt, and without proper information people mess it up and end up more miserable than they started. Fascists tend to survive longer than the victims of their policies.

arrowsmith 3y ago

I'm sorry but I find your post a bit cryptic. Are you saying that your friend committed suicide? I'm sorry to hear that. But how do you know that she changed her mind at the final moment, and why was it then too late?

smcl 3y ago
It happens - committing to doing the act, then having a change of heart and phoning 999/911/112 for help which doesn't come in time.
superchroma 3y ago
Because she begged for help and screamed before she died, live-streamed to a server of people. Emergency services came too late. It was indescribably damaging to watch and hear.
- smcl 3y ago
  That's terrible, I'm sorry to hear