I just want to point out that every nation on earth is socialist to some degree. You can call the USA whatever you want, just know there’s a difference between

I just want to point out that every nation on earth is socialist to some degree. You can call the USA whatever you want, just know there’s a difference between how you label things and dispassionate treatment of the facts. The USA has a socialized military, just like most nations, but other nations choose to socialize different aspects of their needs. It’s all based on what is politically acceptable. Some countries have socialized the police, and I don’t think anyone finds that objectionable. Others would argue there’s hardly a meaningful difference between socializing our physical safety from wrong doers, and our physical safety from accident and disease, ie healthcare. I’m not here to state a position either way on the subject, just to point out the mere existence of a reasonable debate to be had, using healthcare as an example. On the other hand, talking about Socialism (tm), in vague strokes as you said, the opposite of a reasonable debate. It’s substituting an argument for when you don’t have one. And to talk about “San Francisco” as if that pretty much settles things is to take a whole city, full of libertarian tech leaders mind you, and reduce all of the things happening there to a single cause.