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This is a terrible, substanceless article. Nowhere within does it offer anything more than vague abstracts, all the while keeping this bizarre idea that a "foru
by caslon 3y ago
This is a terrible, substanceless article. Nowhere within does it offer anything more than vague abstracts, all the while keeping this bizarre idea that a "forum" that provides information is directly responsible for doing something that people should be allowed to do. It ends by twisting deaths caused by a society that from the perspective of the "victims" isn't worth living in to propaganda for fascism.
What they call poison is most likely referring to curing salt one can buy off of Amazon.
As someone who contemplates it regularly, it's insulting to rob the attempts of autonomy. A person who is able to commit suicide is exercising autonomy. They are not mindless, and they are not insane.
Everything about this, from the framing of its subjects, to the dubiously-real "letter," to the British press harassing a foreign citizen, is rather disgusting. It's a thin, opportunistic attempt to validate a terrible law and claim it doesn't go far enough.
I don't know a thing about the site, but from the way it's described, they aren't going out of their way to hurt anyone, or being actively malicious. Is this really where we want to head? Suicide deaths have barely moved at all per capita since 1970. If it's really about the facts, like the article says, then it might help more than it hurts.
- onethought 3y agoI empathise with your position. But there is very clearly a spectrum of conditions and levels of autonomy at play when it comes to suicide. I.e there may be mindless/insane people within the cohort of people who attempt suicide, just as their may be people with full reasoned autonomy.
- caslon 3y agoThere are mindless and insane people who live perfectly normal and healthy lives. Putting safety rails on everything in society isn't something we do for them; their actions are still their own, and we generally accept that as a society, barring extremes such as dementia.
- onethought 3y agoI’m sorry, I really believe we should intervene in suicide attempts. We have success stories of treating even the most debilitating and chronic forms of depression. We have zero success stories of bringing people back to life. Suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary problem (in most cases/euthanasia aside)
- superchroma 3y agoMy friend changed her mind at the final moment. It was too late. She oscillated on the topic, going from normality to suicidal ideation. What you might call autonomy, I call her darkest moments. When that mood wasn't upon her, she laughed, she loved, she had aspirations, passions dreams and plans. All dashed forever.
- caslon 3y agoYes, depression isn't constant for everyone. That doesn't mean a person isn't responsible for their own decisions, and it doesn't mean the state should step in to force them out of their decisions. Especially without offering some form of relief for something other than symptoms. A person can "live, laugh, love," as much as you'd like them to. They can have all the aspirations and plans in the world and still ultimately not want to be alive. Just because one is afraid to die does not mean they'd want to be alive if they could flip a switch for it. When I go, it will not be because of a momentary lapse in judgment as you imply. It will be something I've contemplated at good length for years on. Outside of pseudonymity, I will tell my acquaintances and friends that I am doing well. I will be doing well. It doesn't change how I ultimately feel about the subject. A "normal" does not invalidate what will happen in moments where someone finally works up the nerve to go through with something, because it isn't insanity that causes suicidal ideation. It's something calculated. Sharing information on how to do it with the least amount of misery helps, it doesn't hurt.
- superchroma 3y agoWhat you are saying is "don't tell me how I feel", and I'm not. What I am saying is that I don't care how you feel because the internal experience isn't a universal one. Do it, or don't, I don't actually care, but don't come around participating in discussions about rules and policy for a world you're prepared to leave behind. There are actually vulnerable people throwing good things away, who might actually be helped, and those who the approach you prescribe (the status quo) lets down.
- caslon 3y ago