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Yeah I'm not arguing shrooms should be illegal. I don't think they're any worse than pot, and actually are the one drug I think everyone should do. But I think

Yeah I'm not arguing shrooms should be illegal. I don't think they're any worse than pot, and actually are the one drug I think everyone should do. But I think there are some serious risks to heavy, prolonged use that probably aren't well-studied or understood. Also for all I know her problems stem from the acid and not the shrooms.

coffeebeqn 3y ago
They are certainly an order of magnitude more powerful than pot. You can fairly easily have a psychologically very difficult experience at larger doses. I’m all for people trying them but the effects shouldn’t be underestimated. I’ve had powerful feelings of anxiety, love, euphoria, mania or sadness on different times. Very different from pot which has a pretty uniform and predictable effect on me.
- jampekka 3y ago
  You can fairly easily have a very difficult experience with pot too. I have way worse and stronger experiences with pot than with mushrooms/LSD. Cannabis is quite a powerful drug for many. A lot more powerful than most "hard drugs" like stimulants, empatogens, opioids or sedatives, which don't "mind fuck" at all unless you do them days on end or ridiculous dosages.
  - Workaccount2 3y ago
    Comparing high dose THC to light-moderate dose shrooms/acid isn't a totally straight comparison. No one is getting ego-death and dimensional transcendence from ripping dabs of THC concentrate all night. Just lots of paranoia and distress.
    - kawhah 3y ago
      'ego-death and dimensional transcendence' and 'lots of paranoia and distress' just sound like different framings of what could be remarkably similar psychic states.
      - Workaccount2 3y ago
        Having been in both, they are worlds apart. Sure, those descriptors might be tossed around, but that's a short commming of English to properly convey experiences. Its distressing to spill your coffee. It's also distressing to have your house burn down. The difference is large.
    - jampekka 3y ago
      Nothing wrong with experiences like what are called ego-death and dimensional transcendence if it doesn't involve paranoia or distress. Especially with dissociatives these are often the goal, and are quite pleasant. The THC induced paranoia and distress are usually due to effects like time-dilation, memory impairment, depersonalization, thought loops etc, which I'd put into more or less same category as you get from psychedelics or dissociatives. Plenty of bad trips with quite low doses of THC too: https://erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=70884 https://erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=70884 I think the "hardness" of different drugs, especially in how strong the effect is, is mostly a cultural and legal artifact that doesn't really correlate that much with the actual experience.
  - suzzer99 3y ago
    This is exactly my experience. I almost never smoke weed, and only do when I'm in a comfortable place and among friends. Shrooms is more of a mid-level body/sensory experience for me, whereas pot is a deep dark journey into the recesses of my psyche.
- heavyset_go 3y ago
  High doses of THC and/or its different natural analogues can induce psychedelic experiences.
tpm 3y ago
> Also for all I know her problems stem from the acid and not the shrooms. Acid also stimulates dopamine receptors, so this could be similar to amphetamine psychosis.
caskstrength 3y ago
What about risks of prolonged incarceration? Especially in US prison?

coffeebeqn 3y ago

They are certainly an order of magnitude more powerful than pot. You can fairly easily have a psychologically very difficult experience at larger doses. I’m all for people trying them but the effects shouldn’t be underestimated. I’ve had powerful feelings of anxiety, love, euphoria, mania or sadness on different times. Very different from pot which has a pretty uniform and predictable effect on me.

jampekka 3y ago
You can fairly easily have a very difficult experience with pot too. I have way worse and stronger experiences with pot than with mushrooms/LSD. Cannabis is quite a powerful drug for many. A lot more powerful than most "hard drugs" like stimulants, empatogens, opioids or sedatives, which don't "mind fuck" at all unless you do them days on end or ridiculous dosages.
- Workaccount2 3y ago
  Comparing high dose THC to light-moderate dose shrooms/acid isn't a totally straight comparison. No one is getting ego-death and dimensional transcendence from ripping dabs of THC concentrate all night. Just lots of paranoia and distress.
  - kawhah 3y ago
    'ego-death and dimensional transcendence' and 'lots of paranoia and distress' just sound like different framings of what could be remarkably similar psychic states.
    - Workaccount2 3y ago
      Having been in both, they are worlds apart. Sure, those descriptors might be tossed around, but that's a short commming of English to properly convey experiences. Its distressing to spill your coffee. It's also distressing to have your house burn down. The difference is large.
  - jampekka 3y ago
    Nothing wrong with experiences like what are called ego-death and dimensional transcendence if it doesn't involve paranoia or distress. Especially with dissociatives these are often the goal, and are quite pleasant. The THC induced paranoia and distress are usually due to effects like time-dilation, memory impairment, depersonalization, thought loops etc, which I'd put into more or less same category as you get from psychedelics or dissociatives. Plenty of bad trips with quite low doses of THC too: https://erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=70884 https://erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=70884 I think the "hardness" of different drugs, especially in how strong the effect is, is mostly a cultural and legal artifact that doesn't really correlate that much with the actual experience.
- suzzer99 3y ago
  This is exactly my experience. I almost never smoke weed, and only do when I'm in a comfortable place and among friends. Shrooms is more of a mid-level body/sensory experience for me, whereas pot is a deep dark journey into the recesses of my psyche.
heavyset_go 3y ago
High doses of THC and/or its different natural analogues can induce psychedelic experiences.

tpm 3y ago

> Also for all I know her problems stem from the acid and not the shrooms. Acid also stimulates dopamine receptors, so this could be similar to amphetamine psychosis.

caskstrength 3y ago

What about risks of prolonged incarceration? Especially in US prison?