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> We know that the microdosing also turned into macrodosing on a lot of occasions. It's pretty easy to slip into this. I don't have a good answer for solving t

by uoaei 3y ago

> We know that the microdosing also turned into macrodosing on a lot of occasions. It's pretty easy to slip into this. I don't have a good answer for solving this but criminalization is definitely a bad answer, so we will have to find a way to discourage such tendencies. It may be that it is mostly or entirely a cultural thing in which case public understanding of the drug is a prerequisite, so I'm glad more are starting to learn about it as a result of decriminalization and legalization. I hope she can find some way to be comfortable again.

hunter2_ 3y ago
Could this be the manifestation of an overdose? I'm not a medical professional, but this got me curious what the "LD99" would be for avoiding this (not literally lethal, but long term dibilitation), or if it's statistically unclear?
- tpm 3y ago
  It's very very unclear. One person can hit heroic doses (200-1000 micrograms of LSD or equivalent of mushrooms) and be completely fine afterwards, another can have a small, usually safe dose and have long-term issues. There are studies done to detect who will be susceptible to this, but there is no clear answer yet (aside from people with family history of bipolar or schizophrenia).
- hallway_monitor 3y ago
  More likely too frequent use. Psychedelics twist reality, doing them too often definitely leaves a mark. Eventually you have trouble telling what's real and what's not even when you're sober.
suzzer99 3y ago
Yeah I'm not arguing shrooms should be illegal. I don't think they're any worse than pot, and actually are the one drug I think everyone should do. But I think there are some serious risks to heavy, prolonged use that probably aren't well-studied or understood. Also for all I know her problems stem from the acid and not the shrooms.
- coffeebeqn 3y ago
  They are certainly an order of magnitude more powerful than pot. You can fairly easily have a psychologically very difficult experience at larger doses. I’m all for people trying them but the effects shouldn’t be underestimated. I’ve had powerful feelings of anxiety, love, euphoria, mania or sadness on different times. Very different from pot which has a pretty uniform and predictable effect on me.
  - jampekka 3y ago
    You can fairly easily have a very difficult experience with pot too. I have way worse and stronger experiences with pot than with mushrooms/LSD. Cannabis is quite a powerful drug for many. A lot more powerful than most "hard drugs" like stimulants, empatogens, opioids or sedatives, which don't "mind fuck" at all unless you do them days on end or ridiculous dosages.
    - Workaccount2 3y ago
      Comparing high dose THC to light-moderate dose shrooms/acid isn't a totally straight comparison. No one is getting ego-death and dimensional transcendence from ripping dabs of THC concentrate all night. Just lots of paranoia and distress.
      - kawhah 3y ago
        'ego-death and dimensional transcendence' and 'lots of paranoia and distress' just sound like different framings of what could be remarkably similar psychic states.
        Workaccount2 3y ago
        Having been in both, they are worlds apart. Sure, those descriptors might be tossed around, but that's a short commming of English to properly convey experiences. Its distressing to spill your coffee. It's also distressing to have your house burn down. The difference is large.
sixQuarks 3y ago
This thread found me at the perfect time I swear. A friend of mine just gave me a huge amount of shrooms. I've always been excited about microdosing, so I tried my first .4 grams the other day and felt a great layer of good vibes that day. I was going to increase the dose, knowing it's not really microdosing and figuring I could do this on a regular basis. I'm now taking this thread as a sign to slow my roll.
- kemayo 3y ago
  For what it's worth, from my understanding, you've got a lot of room before that even hits what's considered a "normal" recreational dose -- which I think is around 3.5g of dried psilocybin. Broadly speaking, if you don't have a history of bipolar / schizophrenia, it sounds like you'd be pretty safe from lasting consequences. Separately, "bad trips" mostly seem to happen when you go towards higher than normal doses, as you lose conscious control of your thoughts...
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  - sixQuarks 3y ago
    I've had a bad trip once where I took too much, but I realize it was because of the amount I took. Do you microdose daily?
    - kemayo 3y ago
      I don't, sorry. I know people who do, but I don't have direct personal experience with doing so. None of them had any negative outcomes from it with occasional larger doses, but as far as I know none of them went too extreme on those doses.
- fivestarman 3y ago
  over a year ago, on this platform, you were praising how amazing elon was. do you still think so?

by uoaei 3y ago

hunter2_ 3y ago

Could this be the manifestation of an overdose? I'm not a medical professional, but this got me curious what the "LD99" would be for avoiding this (not literally lethal, but long term dibilitation), or if it's statistically unclear?

tpm 3y ago
It's very very unclear. One person can hit heroic doses (200-1000 micrograms of LSD or equivalent of mushrooms) and be completely fine afterwards, another can have a small, usually safe dose and have long-term issues. There are studies done to detect who will be susceptible to this, but there is no clear answer yet (aside from people with family history of bipolar or schizophrenia).
hallway_monitor 3y ago
More likely too frequent use. Psychedelics twist reality, doing them too often definitely leaves a mark. Eventually you have trouble telling what's real and what's not even when you're sober.

suzzer99 3y ago

Yeah I'm not arguing shrooms should be illegal. I don't think they're any worse than pot, and actually are the one drug I think everyone should do. But I think there are some serious risks to heavy, prolonged use that probably aren't well-studied or understood. Also for all I know her problems stem from the acid and not the shrooms.

coffeebeqn 3y ago
They are certainly an order of magnitude more powerful than pot. You can fairly easily have a psychologically very difficult experience at larger doses. I’m all for people trying them but the effects shouldn’t be underestimated. I’ve had powerful feelings of anxiety, love, euphoria, mania or sadness on different times. Very different from pot which has a pretty uniform and predictable effect on me.
- jampekka 3y ago
  You can fairly easily have a very difficult experience with pot too. I have way worse and stronger experiences with pot than with mushrooms/LSD. Cannabis is quite a powerful drug for many. A lot more powerful than most "hard drugs" like stimulants, empatogens, opioids or sedatives, which don't "mind fuck" at all unless you do them days on end or ridiculous dosages.
  - Workaccount2 3y ago
    Comparing high dose THC to light-moderate dose shrooms/acid isn't a totally straight comparison. No one is getting ego-death and dimensional transcendence from ripping dabs of THC concentrate all night. Just lots of paranoia and distress.
    - kawhah 3y ago
      'ego-death and dimensional transcendence' and 'lots of paranoia and distress' just sound like different framings of what could be remarkably similar psychic states.
      - Workaccount2 3y ago
        Having been in both, they are worlds apart. Sure, those descriptors might be tossed around, but that's a short commming of English to properly convey experiences. Its distressing to spill your coffee. It's also distressing to have your house burn down. The difference is large.

sixQuarks 3y ago

This thread found me at the perfect time I swear. A friend of mine just gave me a huge amount of shrooms. I've always been excited about microdosing, so I tried my first .4 grams the other day and felt a great layer of good vibes that day. I was going to increase the dose, knowing it's not really microdosing and figuring I could do this on a regular basis. I'm now taking this thread as a sign to slow my roll.

kemayo 3y ago
For what it's worth, from my understanding, you've got a lot of room before that even hits what's considered a "normal" recreational dose -- which I think is around 3.5g of dried psilocybin. Broadly speaking, if you don't have a history of bipolar / schizophrenia, it sounds like you'd be pretty safe from lasting consequences. Separately, "bad trips" mostly seem to happen when you go towards higher than normal doses, as you lose conscious control of your thoughts...
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- sixQuarks 3y ago
  I've had a bad trip once where I took too much, but I realize it was because of the amount I took. Do you microdose daily?
  - kemayo 3y ago
    I don't, sorry. I know people who do, but I don't have direct personal experience with doing so. None of them had any negative outcomes from it with occasional larger doses, but as far as I know none of them went too extreme on those doses.
fivestarman 3y ago
over a year ago, on this platform, you were praising how amazing elon was. do you still think so?