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I’ve always been baffled by this, why hasn’t AMD brought in an army of software devs

by photonbeam 3y ago

sfmike 3y ago
They have and thats the problem
mtoner23 3y ago
So much easier said than done. Have you met those kernel/SW people? They are hard to poach and hard to manage well.
- gleenn 3y ago
  Pay them more money maybe?
  - sherincall 3y ago
    Because of stock appreciation, they'd need to pay up to 10x what the other company is already paying. Consider a senior SWE at e.g. NVIDIA making $300k, let's say halfsies split between base and RSU. The $150k RSU grant from a few years ago that still hasn't fully vested is worth $1M now. So even for a 50% increase in nominal total comp, it doesn't make financial sense to switch. I don't know that anyone can afford to pay their engineers 10x more than the competition, and then also offer a cheaper product with thinner margins.
    - HWR_14 3y ago
      What percentage of the cost is the engineering?
- freeone3000 3y ago
  Yeah, I have — and I got the impression that stability and long-term goals are paramount. You need a good manager, but who doesn’t?
- anonzzzies 3y ago
  I did kernel dev and drivers for over a decade on embedded systems; people in the space are not easy to find, especially with experience. Because of that it is not hard to make 400-500k/year working remotely from my garden in the eu (and have been for the past 20 years). Why would I move and go to an office for similar of less? I would accept a position at Nvidia if the conditions are similar and I know my colleagues (who also have been working from home for most of their careers) would but that’s not on offer.
  - nvm0n2 3y ago
    Where are you making 400-500k a year doing systems programming? Embedded or kernel dev usually doesn't pay so great.
    - spoiler 3y ago
      I wish to know the same... I've been doing it as a hoby for years, but now I'm having financial FOMO lol
    - bradfa 3y ago
      Having professionally been doing embedded/kernel/systems development since 2011 and a variety of software and hardware engineering before that, I'd say embedded software pays decently, but I'm definitely not making $400-500k USD/year, not even half that. Maybe I'm doing it wrong? In my experience, pretty much all software engineering positions pay better than hardware engineering positions with equivalent experience. I don't fully understand why, as hardware is hard and if you have a really good hardware engineering team you can shave months off your time to market, so those engineers should be just as valuable to a business as systems/embedded software people.
      - Roark66 3y ago
        I've found it mostly true during my 20+ years career in IT (mostly devops, but also "solution architecture", cloud migration of legacy software, and even integration early on, etc) that if one wants to make more money there is almost always an opportunity to do so if one is willing to work hard and take risks for it. Switching jobs every 2~3 years and doing it with a plan in mind is one way of doing it. Based on that people end up earning what they consider "a comfortable wage". Some people are not going to feel comfortable until they can buy a jet for their acro-flying hobby, some are happy when they can afford to easily save 1 year of income and being able to afford to buy a new pc every 3 years. Other people have no idea these opportunities exist and they are miserable working in one place for a decade. Or they are not willing or can't take risks. That's how we end up with two people doing similar jobs one earning $100k and the other $500k. In days of remote work the biggest differentiating factor in the earning potential IMO is your English (if not a native speaker) and willingness to work in timezones 6h+ away.
gofixurcode 3y ago
Issues like this typically boil down to management. If they had a driven forward thinking manager who could deliver value early and impress their superiors, then they could have leverage to make change in the organization and push for more devs, a change in philosophy or push for more resources for the software arm. These things take time though of course.
AtlasBarfed 3y ago
Hardware never does software well because software is more expensive on a per person basis. That disrupts the organization because the hardware people are arguably smarter and more talented than software people. They have actual engineering degrees. A good software org has to value its people. A good hardware org is a manufacturing operation tries to minimize personnel costs.

I’ve always been baffled by this, why hasn’t AMD brought in an army of software devs

sfmike 3y ago

They have and thats the problem

mtoner23 3y ago

So much easier said than done. Have you met those kernel/SW people? They are hard to poach and hard to manage well.

gleenn 3y ago
Pay them more money maybe?
- sherincall 3y ago
  Because of stock appreciation, they'd need to pay up to 10x what the other company is already paying. Consider a senior SWE at e.g. NVIDIA making $300k, let's say halfsies split between base and RSU. The $150k RSU grant from a few years ago that still hasn't fully vested is worth $1M now. So even for a 50% increase in nominal total comp, it doesn't make financial sense to switch. I don't know that anyone can afford to pay their engineers 10x more than the competition, and then also offer a cheaper product with thinner margins.
  - HWR_14 3y ago
    What percentage of the cost is the engineering?
freeone3000 3y ago
Yeah, I have — and I got the impression that stability and long-term goals are paramount. You need a good manager, but who doesn’t?
anonzzzies 3y ago
I did kernel dev and drivers for over a decade on embedded systems; people in the space are not easy to find, especially with experience. Because of that it is not hard to make 400-500k/year working remotely from my garden in the eu (and have been for the past 20 years). Why would I move and go to an office for similar of less? I would accept a position at Nvidia if the conditions are similar and I know my colleagues (who also have been working from home for most of their careers) would but that’s not on offer.
- nvm0n2 3y ago
  Where are you making 400-500k a year doing systems programming? Embedded or kernel dev usually doesn't pay so great.
  - spoiler 3y ago
    I wish to know the same... I've been doing it as a hoby for years, but now I'm having financial FOMO lol
  - bradfa 3y ago
    Having professionally been doing embedded/kernel/systems development since 2011 and a variety of software and hardware engineering before that, I'd say embedded software pays decently, but I'm definitely not making $400-500k USD/year, not even half that. Maybe I'm doing it wrong? In my experience, pretty much all software engineering positions pay better than hardware engineering positions with equivalent experience. I don't fully understand why, as hardware is hard and if you have a really good hardware engineering team you can shave months off your time to market, so those engineers should be just as valuable to a business as systems/embedded software people.
    - Roark66 3y ago
      I've found it mostly true during my 20+ years career in IT (mostly devops, but also "solution architecture", cloud migration of legacy software, and even integration early on, etc) that if one wants to make more money there is almost always an opportunity to do so if one is willing to work hard and take risks for it. Switching jobs every 2~3 years and doing it with a plan in mind is one way of doing it. Based on that people end up earning what they consider "a comfortable wage". Some people are not going to feel comfortable until they can buy a jet for their acro-flying hobby, some are happy when they can afford to easily save 1 year of income and being able to afford to buy a new pc every 3 years. Other people have no idea these opportunities exist and they are miserable working in one place for a decade. Or they are not willing or can't take risks. That's how we end up with two people doing similar jobs one earning $100k and the other $500k. In days of remote work the biggest differentiating factor in the earning potential IMO is your English (if not a native speaker) and willingness to work in timezones 6h+ away.

gofixurcode 3y ago

Issues like this typically boil down to management. If they had a driven forward thinking manager who could deliver value early and impress their superiors, then they could have leverage to make change in the organization and push for more devs, a change in philosophy or push for more resources for the software arm. These things take time though of course.

AtlasBarfed 3y ago

Hardware never does software well because software is more expensive on a per person basis. That disrupts the organization because the hardware people are arguably smarter and more talented than software people. They have actual engineering degrees. A good software org has to value its people. A good hardware org is a manufacturing operation tries to minimize personnel costs.