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> you can't enforce laws without a police force. You can in USA. Inform the grand jury and they can investigate and indict. Most anyone can do this by, for exa

> you can't enforce laws without a police force. You can in USA. Inform the grand jury and they can investigate and indict. Most anyone can do this by, for example, mail to the grand jury foreperson. I pulled up a big State for you: "DUTIES OF GRAND JURY. The grand jury shall inquire into all offenses subject to indictment of which any grand juror may have knowledge or of which the grand jury is informed by the attorney representing the state or by any other credible person." https://statutes.capitol.texas.gov/Docs/CR/htm/CR.20A.htm https://statutes.capitol.texas.gov/Docs/CR/htm/CR.20A.htm The district attorney can present, and so can "any other credible person."

Jensson 3y ago
Informing a court isn't enough to enforce a law. Who is going to carry out the punishment of that jury if not for the police? I don't think you understand how society works, without the police the courts doesn't have power to punish you. Police are called law-enforcement for a reason, it is because they are how we enforce laws.
- landemva 3y ago
  In USA, grand jury is not court - they are the grand jury and can indict. In USA, court decides punishment like prison or fine and that (punishment for a crime) is defined by Legislature. Sublime sang about a specific criminal code of California: https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/codes_displaySection.xhtml?sectionNum=187.&lawCode=PEN https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/codes_displaySectio... edit: A criminal defendant may be tried in front of a jury. A grand jury is something completely different - regular people who meet in private, can review information, and can indict.
  - Jensson 3y ago
    But who puts you in prison? Indictment doesn't matter if there is nobody to enforce it. Laws without law enforcement doesn't work. What will happen if you remove the police force is that someone creates a private police force, like a mafia. So now the government no longer can make laws, the mafia makes the laws, essentially dismantling the country. I guess you could use the military to enforce laws, but martial law isn't a good thing either. So saying you think the police is net negative is essentially saying you think it would be better to live with a mafia ruling your life. They would knock on your door and demand money instead of the democratically decided tax rates etc, is that really better?
    - asadotzler 3y ago
      Courts have bailiffs, judicial marshals, and security officers. They should have no problem transferring convicted criminals to jail. Police aren't required at all.

Jensson 3y ago

Informing a court isn't enough to enforce a law. Who is going to carry out the punishment of that jury if not for the police? I don't think you understand how society works, without the police the courts doesn't have power to punish you. Police are called law-enforcement for a reason, it is because they are how we enforce laws.

landemva 3y ago
In USA, grand jury is not court - they are the grand jury and can indict. In USA, court decides punishment like prison or fine and that (punishment for a crime) is defined by Legislature. Sublime sang about a specific criminal code of California: https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/codes_displaySection.xhtml?sectionNum=187.&lawCode=PEN https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/codes_displaySectio... edit: A criminal defendant may be tried in front of a jury. A grand jury is something completely different - regular people who meet in private, can review information, and can indict.
- Jensson 3y ago
  But who puts you in prison? Indictment doesn't matter if there is nobody to enforce it. Laws without law enforcement doesn't work. What will happen if you remove the police force is that someone creates a private police force, like a mafia. So now the government no longer can make laws, the mafia makes the laws, essentially dismantling the country. I guess you could use the military to enforce laws, but martial law isn't a good thing either. So saying you think the police is net negative is essentially saying you think it would be better to live with a mafia ruling your life. They would knock on your door and demand money instead of the democratically decided tax rates etc, is that really better?
  - asadotzler 3y ago
    Courts have bailiffs, judicial marshals, and security officers. They should have no problem transferring convicted criminals to jail. Police aren't required at all.