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"gray market" here means stolen right?

by thatfrenchguy 3y ago

seretogis 3y ago
TFA explains in the second paragraph: > These devices are not stolen but are originally intended for other regions.
- datameta 3y ago
  Intent... There isn't a law about upkeeping a corporation's expectation is there? Are these users in breach of anything? Good on the Mexican gov't in this case for protecting consumers.
  - thsksbd 3y ago
    No. When you buy something it's yours. Full stop. The law cant even stop you from reverse engineering it or making a copy. It only stops you from distributing a copy. IP law is only meant to setup an artificial monopoly and then only for a set amount of time.
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freitzkriesler2 3y ago
No phones bought in a region not intended for their primary sale.
KennyBlanken 3y ago
No, it means "not paying the highway robbery prices from the official distributor in Mexico" https://www.reddit.com/r/samsung/comments/16pgliq/samsung_blocking_importedinternational_phones_in/ https://www.reddit.com/r/samsung/comments/16pgliq/samsung_bl...
cvalka 3y ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parallel_import https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parallel_import
Hnrobert42 3y ago
You are thinking of “black market”.
thsksbd 3y ago
Absolutely not. Its not even immoral. Grey market refers to third parties buying a good in country A to resell in country B. As long as they pay the import levies the good is 100% legal. Manufacturers (phones, cameras, books) hate this because they want to charge some markets more than others. Book publishers, in particular, tried to use the courts to ban this as a violation of copyright only to get laughed out of court because the seller loses all rights towards an item when it is sold Ultimately it is free market capitalism in reverse. Which is ironic, of course, because your phone manufacturer would have an aneurism if their ability to use cheap foreign slave labor were curtailed
- tbrownaw 3y ago
  > Ultimately it is free market capitalism in reverse. Where exactly does the "reverse" come in?
  - thsksbd 3y ago
    Reversing the roles of the players. Typically the little guy gets crushed by capital's freedom to flow. In this case, it's the little guy that exploits the freedom of goods (ie low tariffs) to avoid the big guy's power.
kmeisthax 3y ago
No, and we should stop using the term "gray market" for perfectly legitimate international phone reselling. The phones aren't stolen, they were purchased and resold to another country. This is perfectly legal but manufacturers hate it because they can't price discriminate as easily. In this specific case, Samsung has a local distributor in Mexico that upcharges significantly, so Mexicans just buy phones in the US and use them in Mexico. The local distributor hates this because they have no margin if they can't gouge Mexico, so they are trying to scare anyone using a US phone in Mexico so that they can sell you a new distributor-bullshit-royalty-bearing phone instead.

"gray market" here means stolen right?

seretogis 3y ago

TFA explains in the second paragraph: > These devices are not stolen but are originally intended for other regions.

datameta 3y ago
Intent... There isn't a law about upkeeping a corporation's expectation is there? Are these users in breach of anything? Good on the Mexican gov't in this case for protecting consumers.
- thsksbd 3y ago
  No. When you buy something it's yours. Full stop. The law cant even stop you from reverse engineering it or making a copy. It only stops you from distributing a copy. IP law is only meant to setup an artificial monopoly and then only for a set amount of time.

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freitzkriesler2 3y ago

No phones bought in a region not intended for their primary sale.

KennyBlanken 3y ago

No, it means "not paying the highway robbery prices from the official distributor in Mexico" https://www.reddit.com/r/samsung/comments/16pgliq/samsung_blocking_importedinternational_phones_in/ https://www.reddit.com/r/samsung/comments/16pgliq/samsung_bl...

cvalka 3y ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parallel_import https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parallel_import

Hnrobert42 3y ago

You are thinking of “black market”.

thsksbd 3y ago

Absolutely not. Its not even immoral. Grey market refers to third parties buying a good in country A to resell in country B. As long as they pay the import levies the good is 100% legal. Manufacturers (phones, cameras, books) hate this because they want to charge some markets more than others. Book publishers, in particular, tried to use the courts to ban this as a violation of copyright only to get laughed out of court because the seller loses all rights towards an item when it is sold Ultimately it is free market capitalism in reverse. Which is ironic, of course, because your phone manufacturer would have an aneurism if their ability to use cheap foreign slave labor were curtailed

tbrownaw 3y ago
> Ultimately it is free market capitalism in reverse. Where exactly does the "reverse" come in?
- thsksbd 3y ago
  Reversing the roles of the players. Typically the little guy gets crushed by capital's freedom to flow. In this case, it's the little guy that exploits the freedom of goods (ie low tariffs) to avoid the big guy's power.

kmeisthax 3y ago

No, and we should stop using the term "gray market" for perfectly legitimate international phone reselling. The phones aren't stolen, they were purchased and resold to another country. This is perfectly legal but manufacturers hate it because they can't price discriminate as easily. In this specific case, Samsung has a local distributor in Mexico that upcharges significantly, so Mexicans just buy phones in the US and use them in Mexico. The local distributor hates this because they have no margin if they can't gouge Mexico, so they are trying to scare anyone using a US phone in Mexico so that they can sell you a new distributor-bullshit-royalty-bearing phone instead.