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I think OP is just doubting the government's ability to know which immigrants are higher quality vs. the companies who seek to employ them.

mrtksn 3y ago
Exactly. I don’t believe that a company can be worse than the government in picking their employees. If the government has the ability to pick skilled employees, maybe all the employees(not just the immigrants)should be picked by the bureaucrats.
- ricktdotorg 3y ago
  but the companies are picking their chosen employees-to-be. the companies are literally the ones submitting the H1-B forms asking the government to approve their choice so they can employ them. the government does not say "this person is not the right choice for this job." the government does however do the necessary criminal/education/security/background checks etc to make sure the candidate (or company) isn't lying. some of these checks may be difficult for a company without government-level resources (maybe?) to perform. so if the checks are passed, and the company has performed the labor cert properly and there are visas left (quotas), then a visa is issued to the candidate that the company picked.
  - mrtksn 3y ago
    Have you ever heard about the concept of visa rejection? It’s a real thing that’s why there is also a visa lottery. That’s why for companies it’s not the same thing to hire someone who has a foreign passport and the local one. H1-B it’s not just a form that you fill when you’re going to employ a foreign national.
- huytersd 3y ago
  That’s what happens now. The company picks their own candidates. Did you think the government assigned employees to a company? Visa rejections may happen only if the immigrant has issues with their background, the paperwork/process was not done correctly or the quota has been hit.
  - mrtksn 3y ago
    The company needs to get permission from the government to employ that employee. That permission is the visa. It’s something you might or might not get. It’s not just a form you fill if you like to employ a foreigner. The company and the employee they want to employ have to win fking lottery to have their application processed. Read the article.
    - huytersd 3y ago
      The government has a quota for how many immigrants it will let in per year. That’s why you need to win the lottery. If you lose the lottery, the quota has already been hit. The only reason the government doesn’t give “permission” is if it has hit the limit for that year. Which brings me back to my original comment, you’re advocating for unlimited immigration.
      - mrtksn 3y ago
        Quota is just one reason for not being able to employ whoever you want. Just because you can point out a reason, the reality doesn’t change. Nothing happens without a reason. However, I agree that it’s nicer than European/British/Australian/Canadian point based system. At least US don’t try to pretend that it’s about skills.
        huytersd 3y ago
        Quota is virtually the only reason besides background checks. Unless you’re referring to the requirement for a bachelors degree which in my opinion is perfectly reasonable. In that case the company won’t even put in the application.

mrtksn 3y ago

Exactly. I don’t believe that a company can be worse than the government in picking their employees. If the government has the ability to pick skilled employees, maybe all the employees(not just the immigrants)should be picked by the bureaucrats.

ricktdotorg 3y ago
but the companies are picking their chosen employees-to-be. the companies are literally the ones submitting the H1-B forms asking the government to approve their choice so they can employ them. the government does not say "this person is not the right choice for this job." the government does however do the necessary criminal/education/security/background checks etc to make sure the candidate (or company) isn't lying. some of these checks may be difficult for a company without government-level resources (maybe?) to perform. so if the checks are passed, and the company has performed the labor cert properly and there are visas left (quotas), then a visa is issued to the candidate that the company picked.
- mrtksn 3y ago
  Have you ever heard about the concept of visa rejection? It’s a real thing that’s why there is also a visa lottery. That’s why for companies it’s not the same thing to hire someone who has a foreign passport and the local one. H1-B it’s not just a form that you fill when you’re going to employ a foreign national.
huytersd 3y ago
That’s what happens now. The company picks their own candidates. Did you think the government assigned employees to a company? Visa rejections may happen only if the immigrant has issues with their background, the paperwork/process was not done correctly or the quota has been hit.
- mrtksn 3y ago
  The company needs to get permission from the government to employ that employee. That permission is the visa. It’s something you might or might not get. It’s not just a form you fill if you like to employ a foreigner. The company and the employee they want to employ have to win fking lottery to have their application processed. Read the article.
  - huytersd 3y ago
    The government has a quota for how many immigrants it will let in per year. That’s why you need to win the lottery. If you lose the lottery, the quota has already been hit. The only reason the government doesn’t give “permission” is if it has hit the limit for that year. Which brings me back to my original comment, you’re advocating for unlimited immigration.
    - mrtksn 3y ago
      Quota is just one reason for not being able to employ whoever you want. Just because you can point out a reason, the reality doesn’t change. Nothing happens without a reason. However, I agree that it’s nicer than European/British/Australian/Canadian point based system. At least US don’t try to pretend that it’s about skills.
      - huytersd 3y ago
        Quota is virtually the only reason besides background checks. Unless you’re referring to the requirement for a bachelors degree which in my opinion is perfectly reasonable. In that case the company won’t even put in the application.