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Today there is no legal requirement for laptop manufacturers to implement "safe content" setting and, as I am aware, there is no such OS-level settings in any O

Today there is no legal requirement for laptop manufacturers to implement "safe content" setting and, as I am aware, there is no such OS-level settings in any OS. iOS seems to have "parental controls", but they are implemented in the worst way possible. For example, to restrict access to websites, you have to manually enter the domains into black or white lists [1]. It seems like Apple tried to comply with some kind of regulations the cheapest way. There should be just a single checkbox, because I don't think there are many people who are ready to manually compile white lists of websites and browse through those complicated settings. [1] https://www.internetmatters.org/parental-controls/smartphones-and-other-devices/apple-iphone-and-ipad-parental-control-guide/#manage-web-content-iOS https://www.internetmatters.org/parental-controls/smartphone...

johnnyanmac 3y ago
>there is no such OS-level settings in any OS. windows does have parental controls, but they of course can only extend to Edge. I'm sure you can control whether a non-admin can install Chrome/Firefox or really anything non-authorized if you need to. >There should be just a single checkbox. because I don't think there are many people who are ready to manually compile white lists of websites and browse through those complicated settings. And who compiles the list? why do we trust them to turn a switch on or off? Also, I hope you can understand why I think "because parents are stupid/lazy" is the worst kind of reasoning you can give to enforce control over the entire internet. We solve laziness with awareness and stupidity with education. Why are we giving up on that?
- codedokode 3y ago
  > windows does have parental controls, What I meant is that OS should have one simple option, not a complicated tree of settings made for sysadmins. And it should be reliable, and apply to all applications, so that you cannot insert a thumb drive with Firefox or Tor browser and enjoy uncensored Internet access.
- codedokode 3y ago
  > why do we trust them to turn a switch on or off? Because many people do not want to compile a white list of allowed websites themselves. It is too much trouble. So they would rather delegate this to some organization. > Also, I hope you can understand why I think "because parents are stupid/lazy" is the worst kind of reasoning you can give to enforce control over the entire internet. This doesn't enforce control over Internet, this only adds a locked-down mode for children. For adults, there are no restrictions.
  - johnnyanmac 3y ago
    >This doesn't enforce control over Internet, this only adds a locked-down mode for children. I'll remind you that your proposal mentioned: >Make it a legal requirement for parents to set up this option for their children on every device they use I don't like the idea that the government a) mandates a parent take action on their devices just becsuse they have children nor b) that specific companies are mandated to make specific feature on their private OS (and we won't even go into the rabbit hole of how you enforce this for Linux. Are kids now not allowed to use Linux? And to respond to another comment: >For options to be available, you need regulations. Today without regulations there is no OS that would provide a single checkbox like "show only content appropriate for N year old". It seems that there is no motivation for device and OS manufacturers to invest into implementing such options and filters. I fundamentally disagree with both of these premises. You can create options without government intervention. That's exactly how games and movies work. And just becsuse OS's don't have the options nor convenience you want doesn't mean they are mandated to apply them (again, I will also mention Linux as a confusing factor to mandate). Third party tools exist that do all this for you on all major private OS's convinently and will curate lists for the parent. It's up to the parent to seek these out (or, learn how to use the admin settings. We're not talking about command line prompts nor batch scripting here).

johnnyanmac 3y ago

>there is no such OS-level settings in any OS. windows does have parental controls, but they of course can only extend to Edge. I'm sure you can control whether a non-admin can install Chrome/Firefox or really anything non-authorized if you need to. >There should be just a single checkbox. because I don't think there are many people who are ready to manually compile white lists of websites and browse through those complicated settings. And who compiles the list? why do we trust them to turn a switch on or off? Also, I hope you can understand why I think "because parents are stupid/lazy" is the worst kind of reasoning you can give to enforce control over the entire internet. We solve laziness with awareness and stupidity with education. Why are we giving up on that?

codedokode 3y ago
> windows does have parental controls, What I meant is that OS should have one simple option, not a complicated tree of settings made for sysadmins. And it should be reliable, and apply to all applications, so that you cannot insert a thumb drive with Firefox or Tor browser and enjoy uncensored Internet access.
codedokode 3y ago
> why do we trust them to turn a switch on or off? Because many people do not want to compile a white list of allowed websites themselves. It is too much trouble. So they would rather delegate this to some organization. > Also, I hope you can understand why I think "because parents are stupid/lazy" is the worst kind of reasoning you can give to enforce control over the entire internet. This doesn't enforce control over Internet, this only adds a locked-down mode for children. For adults, there are no restrictions.
- johnnyanmac 3y ago
  >This doesn't enforce control over Internet, this only adds a locked-down mode for children. I'll remind you that your proposal mentioned: >Make it a legal requirement for parents to set up this option for their children on every device they use I don't like the idea that the government a) mandates a parent take action on their devices just becsuse they have children nor b) that specific companies are mandated to make specific feature on their private OS (and we won't even go into the rabbit hole of how you enforce this for Linux. Are kids now not allowed to use Linux? And to respond to another comment: >For options to be available, you need regulations. Today without regulations there is no OS that would provide a single checkbox like "show only content appropriate for N year old". It seems that there is no motivation for device and OS manufacturers to invest into implementing such options and filters. I fundamentally disagree with both of these premises. You can create options without government intervention. That's exactly how games and movies work. And just becsuse OS's don't have the options nor convenience you want doesn't mean they are mandated to apply them (again, I will also mention Linux as a confusing factor to mandate). Third party tools exist that do all this for you on all major private OS's convinently and will curate lists for the parent. It's up to the parent to seek these out (or, learn how to use the admin settings. We're not talking about command line prompts nor batch scripting here).