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Those people are expressing grief. Twitter was one thing, and has changed into a substantially different thing. Something that has been a meaningful part of the

Those people are expressing grief. Twitter was one thing, and has changed into a substantially different thing. Something that has been a meaningful part of their lives for, in many cases, well over a decade. If you care about those people, compassion might be helpful, no matter how you feel about the actual changes. If you don't care about them - which is perfectly valid, we can't care about the entire Internet - I suggest just not engaging on those posts. It's kinder to them and you.

pc86 3y ago
Perhaps it's profoundly unhealthy that Twitter changing its TOS or Musk unbanning some people and banning others causes you to grieve. I'm not saying the correct response is "LOL STFU" (it's not), but I also don't think there's necessarily anything wrong with saying someone is treating something as more than it actually is.
- groby_b 3y ago
  If we untie this from Musk for a moment: Twitter's user composition has changed tremendously over the last 12 months, whatever the reasons. That means for a lot of people, folks that they'd gotten to know quite closely suddenly aren't there any more. It's not grief as the same level as "my close relative died", but it's grief on the level of "All my friends left and moved elsewhere". That's still a major upset, and people need to process. And the technical term for that processing is "grieve". That is entirely independent of your opinions on how to treat it, it's a feeling folks experience. And, given those are folks who like leaving a somewhat public life, they process in public. If those emotions don't resonate with you, it's probably a good idea to just move on and let others feel what they need to feel.
- mcphage 3y ago
  > Perhaps it's profoundly unhealthy that Twitter changing its TOS or Musk unbanning some people and banning others causes you to grieve. Why? People grieve all sorts of things—a community which was built up over a decade and is now falling apart seems a perfectly reasonable thing to grieve. What about that do you feel is profoundly unhealthy?
  - glenstein 3y ago
    I agree with you, it's clear that they're talking about something that's coming from a place of rather ordinary human empathy, as opposed to unhealthy fixation.
  - pc86 3y ago
    What's falling apart though? Is it really falling apart? Like I said, my feed is identical. I think if you dig into this you'll find it's a completely self-made issue. People leave because they think there's going to be massive changes or they try to prove some political point. Then other people are mad because some people left and start talking about how Twitter is completely changed when it hasn't.
    - mcphage 3y ago
      > Like I said, my feed is identical. I believe you, but my feed definitely isn't. Lots of the commercial feeds are still there, but most of my friends have moved on—not all to the same place—and the more interesting feeds I follow tend to post someplace else first, and then crosspost to Twitter. > start talking about how Twitter is completely changed when it hasn't This is very much a YMMV situation.
      - nkozyra 3y ago
        > I believe you, but my feed definitely isn't Yeah, I think the people who haven't perceived the difference are very lucky and seem to be in the minority.
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pc86 3y ago

Perhaps it's profoundly unhealthy that Twitter changing its TOS or Musk unbanning some people and banning others causes you to grieve. I'm not saying the correct response is "LOL STFU" (it's not), but I also don't think there's necessarily anything wrong with saying someone is treating something as more than it actually is.

groby_b 3y ago
If we untie this from Musk for a moment: Twitter's user composition has changed tremendously over the last 12 months, whatever the reasons. That means for a lot of people, folks that they'd gotten to know quite closely suddenly aren't there any more. It's not grief as the same level as "my close relative died", but it's grief on the level of "All my friends left and moved elsewhere". That's still a major upset, and people need to process. And the technical term for that processing is "grieve". That is entirely independent of your opinions on how to treat it, it's a feeling folks experience. And, given those are folks who like leaving a somewhat public life, they process in public. If those emotions don't resonate with you, it's probably a good idea to just move on and let others feel what they need to feel.
mcphage 3y ago
> Perhaps it's profoundly unhealthy that Twitter changing its TOS or Musk unbanning some people and banning others causes you to grieve. Why? People grieve all sorts of things—a community which was built up over a decade and is now falling apart seems a perfectly reasonable thing to grieve. What about that do you feel is profoundly unhealthy?
- glenstein 3y ago
  I agree with you, it's clear that they're talking about something that's coming from a place of rather ordinary human empathy, as opposed to unhealthy fixation.
- pc86 3y ago
  What's falling apart though? Is it really falling apart? Like I said, my feed is identical. I think if you dig into this you'll find it's a completely self-made issue. People leave because they think there's going to be massive changes or they try to prove some political point. Then other people are mad because some people left and start talking about how Twitter is completely changed when it hasn't.
  - mcphage 3y ago
    > Like I said, my feed is identical. I believe you, but my feed definitely isn't. Lots of the commercial feeds are still there, but most of my friends have moved on—not all to the same place—and the more interesting feeds I follow tend to post someplace else first, and then crosspost to Twitter. > start talking about how Twitter is completely changed when it hasn't This is very much a YMMV situation.
    - nkozyra 3y ago
      > I believe you, but my feed definitely isn't Yeah, I think the people who haven't perceived the difference are very lucky and seem to be in the minority.

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