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Nike Vaporfly. I'm surprised it wasn't mentioned that 2 recording breaking marathon runs were by athletes wearing the Nike Vaporfly shoe. The shoe was ultimat

Nike Vaporfly. I'm surprised it wasn't mentioned that 2 recording breaking marathon runs were by athletes wearing the Nike Vaporfly shoe. The shoe was ultimately banned due to the giving too much "bounce" (free energy) to the runners. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-athletics-shoe/nike-prototype-vaporfly-shoe-banned-but-current-version-going-to-olympics-idUSKBN1ZU25S https://www.reuters.com/article/us-athletics-shoe/nike-proto...

rotskoff 3y ago
In fact, the shoe was not banned and it is one of the most widely used marathon racing shoes out there. Nearly all other running shoe companies followed suit and made more efficient racing flats with carbon plates and high energy return foams. Some restrictions did come out, including limits on the "stack height" racing shoes and more stringent restrictions on the track. The current generation of these, the alphafly 3, were just used to break a world record in the Chicago Marathon by Kelvin Kiptum. Those are unreleased as of yet.
- WestCoastJustin 3y ago
  Looks like initially was then wasn't re: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nike_Vaporfly_and_Tokyo_2020_Olympics_controversy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nike_Vaporfly_and_Tokyo_2020_O...
mikestew 3y ago
Mmmm, not quite. The ones you and I can buy have a single plate, and stack height of 36mm. The ban was for shoes (like the VaporFly prototype) with >40mm stack height and/or multiple plates. Not that this article clears the matter a whole lot, but there is more information (sorry, couldn't find a succinct article on the topic): https://www.cbsnews.com/news/nike-vaporfly-running-sneaker-not-banned-olympics/ https://www.cbsnews.com/news/nike-vaporfly-running-sneaker-n... I've used them (as a ~3:00 marathoner). They probably are good for a few minutes off your time. But what I noticed most was that the next day I said to my wife, "I don't think I ran hard enough." Oh, I ran hard enough, but the shoes do so much better at keeping the legs from getting trashed. Normally, I'd take the day off the day after a marathon. Instead, I said, "screw it, I'm going for a short run." And the VaporFly has little to do with this proposition, other than using a spring-like device.
- moron4hire 3y ago
  I wonder if that would do anything for my plantar fascitis... I made a mistake in shoe choice for a vacation one year, before I knew how much my wife absolutely insists on walking at least 10 miles a day. That was 8 years ago and I still have pretty severe pain almost every morning.
  - arcanemachiner 3y ago
    I beat the shit out of my plantar fascia when I took to longboarding one summer. I basically had to stop any recreational walking for a year. I tried the Vibram FiveFingers and I think they helped (yes, I know about the lawsuit: https://www.bbc.com/news/business-27335251 https://www.bbc.com/news/business-27335251), but my equation for recovery is rest + time then gentle strengthening (and luck I guess, in the case of my plantar fasciitis). And ergonomic everything wherever possible to prevent future issues before they occur.
    - moron4hire 3y ago
      I have one particular pair of dress shoes that are the most comfortable for me right now, even more so than my sneakers. I think it might be the rise of the heel, plus they were always pretty comfortable getting the start. I basically heal over the week while I'm sitting at work and then redamage over the weekend when I'm taking my kids out to parks.
  - mikestew 3y ago
    I am NOT anyone with relevant credentials, just a lot of running over the last 40 some years in a lot of shoes. That said, I no reason to think that VaporFlys would help with plantar fasciitis. I hypothesize that it's the energy return (which is energy not pounding the legs) is what saves the legs, and I don't know that help plantar problems. And the shoes are designed around running, not walking. Mainly, though, is they're $250 a pair. That's a pretty pricey experiment without some bit of evidence, even if anecdotal, that they might work for your problem. Good luck, though. I know plantar fasciitis is a tough one to treat.
seattleman 3y ago
The specific version of the Nike Alphafly shoe that Eliud Kipchoge wore for his sub 2 hour marathon (out of competition) was banned, but subsequent versions of the Alphafly and Vaporfly are legal and still being used to break records today. As a result of Kipchoge's sub-2 marathon run, some rules were set on shoe design, namely: 1. Max stack height of 40 mm 2. Only one carbon plate allowed per show (Kipchoge's had 3)
ge96 3y ago
Well I'll be... that ugly design has a purpose
MrRolleyes 3y ago
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hinkley 3y ago
The tread only lasts for 200 miles? That’s something like a new pair a month while training isn’t it?

rotskoff 3y ago

In fact, the shoe was not banned and it is one of the most widely used marathon racing shoes out there. Nearly all other running shoe companies followed suit and made more efficient racing flats with carbon plates and high energy return foams. Some restrictions did come out, including limits on the "stack height" racing shoes and more stringent restrictions on the track. The current generation of these, the alphafly 3, were just used to break a world record in the Chicago Marathon by Kelvin Kiptum. Those are unreleased as of yet.

WestCoastJustin 3y ago
Looks like initially was then wasn't re: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nike_Vaporfly_and_Tokyo_2020_Olympics_controversy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nike_Vaporfly_and_Tokyo_2020_O...

mikestew 3y ago

Mmmm, not quite. The ones you and I can buy have a single plate, and stack height of 36mm. The ban was for shoes (like the VaporFly prototype) with >40mm stack height and/or multiple plates. Not that this article clears the matter a whole lot, but there is more information (sorry, couldn't find a succinct article on the topic): https://www.cbsnews.com/news/nike-vaporfly-running-sneaker-not-banned-olympics/ https://www.cbsnews.com/news/nike-vaporfly-running-sneaker-n... I've used them (as a ~3:00 marathoner). They probably are good for a few minutes off your time. But what I noticed most was that the next day I said to my wife, "I don't think I ran hard enough." Oh, I ran hard enough, but the shoes do so much better at keeping the legs from getting trashed. Normally, I'd take the day off the day after a marathon. Instead, I said, "screw it, I'm going for a short run." And the VaporFly has little to do with this proposition, other than using a spring-like device.

moron4hire 3y ago
I wonder if that would do anything for my plantar fascitis... I made a mistake in shoe choice for a vacation one year, before I knew how much my wife absolutely insists on walking at least 10 miles a day. That was 8 years ago and I still have pretty severe pain almost every morning.
- arcanemachiner 3y ago
  I beat the shit out of my plantar fascia when I took to longboarding one summer. I basically had to stop any recreational walking for a year. I tried the Vibram FiveFingers and I think they helped (yes, I know about the lawsuit: https://www.bbc.com/news/business-27335251 https://www.bbc.com/news/business-27335251), but my equation for recovery is rest + time then gentle strengthening (and luck I guess, in the case of my plantar fasciitis). And ergonomic everything wherever possible to prevent future issues before they occur.
  - moron4hire 3y ago
    I have one particular pair of dress shoes that are the most comfortable for me right now, even more so than my sneakers. I think it might be the rise of the heel, plus they were always pretty comfortable getting the start. I basically heal over the week while I'm sitting at work and then redamage over the weekend when I'm taking my kids out to parks.
- mikestew 3y ago
  I am NOT anyone with relevant credentials, just a lot of running over the last 40 some years in a lot of shoes. That said, I no reason to think that VaporFlys would help with plantar fasciitis. I hypothesize that it's the energy return (which is energy not pounding the legs) is what saves the legs, and I don't know that help plantar problems. And the shoes are designed around running, not walking. Mainly, though, is they're $250 a pair. That's a pretty pricey experiment without some bit of evidence, even if anecdotal, that they might work for your problem. Good luck, though. I know plantar fasciitis is a tough one to treat.

seattleman 3y ago

The specific version of the Nike Alphafly shoe that Eliud Kipchoge wore for his sub 2 hour marathon (out of competition) was banned, but subsequent versions of the Alphafly and Vaporfly are legal and still being used to break records today. As a result of Kipchoge's sub-2 marathon run, some rules were set on shoe design, namely: 1. Max stack height of 40 mm 2. Only one carbon plate allowed per show (Kipchoge's had 3)

ge96 3y ago

Well I'll be... that ugly design has a purpose

MrRolleyes 3y ago

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hinkley 3y ago

The tread only lasts for 200 miles? That’s something like a new pair a month while training isn’t it?