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To anyone taking this line of argument seriously, please Google "Nakba" and go from there.

gustavus 3y ago
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crabbone 3y ago
The story doesn't start with "Nakba" though. For those who don't want to Google, this is the brief history leading up to this event: Turks rule over the territory of modern day Israel. It's part desert (Negev) part swamps. The land is pretty bad for agriculture, the locals are poor as dirt. Pretty much a place you'd call a "hole". Series of pogroms in Russian empire lead to, beside other things, a stream of Jewish refugees wanting to settle in this "hole" because of a tradition they kept for thousands years that called this "hole" their home. They want to buy land from the locals, when none in their right mind would. Many locals are tempted by the offer and the prospect of becoming city dwellers, wage workers... only to discover that nobody's going to hire them. They burn through the money they got from selling their land and sharply sink into even more abject poverty. Jews won't sell the land back, and even if they would, there's no money to buy it back. Jews also won't hire them. So locals need a way out. A bunch of landless peasants who have neither the skills nor finances to start new industrial life in the city. They start blaming the Jews for swindling them out of their properties. And, of course, there were also cases of Jews taking advantage of the locals, so, that reinforces the idea that Jews should be purged from their land. Comes World War I, Brits take over this territory, but they aren't really interested in solving the local disputes. They want order. So, whoever starts the fight gets a kick in the teeth from the occupational government. Arabs tend to get the short end of the stick more often. This leads Nazi Germans to side with the Arabs to mess with the Brits. Grand mufti gets great reception from Hitler, gets a title of honorary Aryan... picking up few other related ideas along the way. The nice mufti guy organizes the blockade of Jerusalem with the intention to starve all the Jews living there. Not to mention inspiring few other incidents leading up to Jewish deaths. Jews either appeal to Brits, or seeing how Brits aren't eager to step in, retaliate themselves. Comes the end of World War II, Brits finally had enough of the headache with this mess. Everyone feels like Jews need some kind of compensation for what happened to them during the war, so Brits push for the UN resolution legitimizing the Israeli state. Needless to mention the local Arabs are infuriated by this decision, since this would seal the fate of their lost lands forever. They go for an all-out war, but lose. This war and subsequent defeat is what today they call "Nakba" (catastrophe).
raxxorraxor 3y ago
What is the difference to the exodus from Kuwait in 1990? Jews, perhaps? Although this expulsion could even make sense given that some local muftis tried to ally with Hitler for a holocaust in the middle east. In Kuwait they "just" allied with Saddam and were expelled in return. I think what how some suppressed the Jews was quite a bit more serious. They fought for their independence. That this isn't well liked by any party is another story.

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The story doesn't start with "Nakba" though. For those who don't want to Google, this is the brief history leading up to this event: Turks rule over the territory of modern day Israel. It's part desert (Negev) part swamps. The land is pretty bad for agriculture, the locals are poor as dirt. Pretty much a place you'd call a "hole". Series of pogroms in Russian empire lead to, beside other things, a stream of Jewish refugees wanting to settle in this "hole" because of a tradition they kept for thousands years that called this "hole" their home. They want to buy land from the locals, when none in their right mind would. Many locals are tempted by the offer and the prospect of becoming city dwellers, wage workers... only to discover that nobody's going to hire them. They burn through the money they got from selling their land and sharply sink into even more abject poverty. Jews won't sell the land back, and even if they would, there's no money to buy it back. Jews also won't hire them. So locals need a way out. A bunch of landless peasants who have neither the skills nor finances to start new industrial life in the city. They start blaming the Jews for swindling them out of their properties. And, of course, there were also cases of Jews taking advantage of the locals, so, that reinforces the idea that Jews should be purged from their land. Comes World War I, Brits take over this territory, but they aren't really interested in solving the local disputes. They want order. So, whoever starts the fight gets a kick in the teeth from the occupational government. Arabs tend to get the short end of the stick more often. This leads Nazi Germans to side with the Arabs to mess with the Brits. Grand mufti gets great reception from Hitler, gets a title of honorary Aryan... picking up few other related ideas along the way. The nice mufti guy organizes the blockade of Jerusalem with the intention to starve all the Jews living there. Not to mention inspiring few other incidents leading up to Jewish deaths. Jews either appeal to Brits, or seeing how Brits aren't eager to step in, retaliate themselves. Comes the end of World War II, Brits finally had enough of the headache with this mess. Everyone feels like Jews need some kind of compensation for what happened to them during the war, so Brits push for the UN resolution legitimizing the Israeli state. Needless to mention the local Arabs are infuriated by this decision, since this would seal the fate of their lost lands forever. They go for an all-out war, but lose. This war and subsequent defeat is what today they call "Nakba" (catastrophe).

raxxorraxor 3y ago

What is the difference to the exodus from Kuwait in 1990? Jews, perhaps? Although this expulsion could even make sense given that some local muftis tried to ally with Hitler for a holocaust in the middle east. In Kuwait they "just" allied with Saddam and were expelled in return. I think what how some suppressed the Jews was quite a bit more serious. They fought for their independence. That this isn't well liked by any party is another story.