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If a person swats someone, that person should be charged, whether its just for wasting police time or potentially endangering the victim or whatever the charges

If a person swats someone, that person should be charged, whether its just for wasting police time or potentially endangering the victim or whatever the charges may be, send the perp to prison! I don't think you can or should be able to take down a website for the actions of its users off of the website, though. I'm on the fence about doxxing being illegal, especially as it usually only involves collating already publicly available material. I can certainly see the harm being done by the doxxer, but if all they are doing is revealing or collecting up information I don't know if that should be a crime, but I could be convinced.

mschuster91 3y ago
> If a person swats someone, that person should be charged, whether its just for wasting police time or potentially endangering the victim or whatever the charges may be, send the perp to prison! I don't think you can or should be able to take down a website for the actions of its users off of the website, though. Say you're running a flea market and you know the merchants there are offering stolen goods. You'll be dealt with as an accomplice to their crimes. Kiwifarms, 8chan, all the other "free speech"-purporting platforms are just the same in concept. > I can certainly see the harm being done by the doxxer, but if all they are doing is revealing or collecting up information I don't know if that should be a crime, but I could be convinced. The reasoning is that, especially if you're revealing information that is not being public (like where someone lives) or is outright wrong, there will be enough miscreants on the Internet that abuse this information to cause serious harms. People already have been killed as a result of swatting [1], businesses like pizza parlors routinely lose absurd amounts of money to "prank" calls (which are a crime, but not investigated by most PDs as the damages are way too small), and the "pizzagate" pizza parlor even got someone nuts enough to shoot the place up [2]. Therefore, doxxing and the upkeep of such material should be made a crime, if only to keep the general public safe from the multiple cases of stochastic terrorism. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swatting#Injuries_or_deaths_due_to_swatting https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swatting#Injuries_or_deaths_du... [2] https://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/05/business/media/comet-ping-pong-pizza-shooting-fake-news-consequences.html https://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/05/business/media/comet-ping...

mschuster91 3y ago

> If a person swats someone, that person should be charged, whether its just for wasting police time or potentially endangering the victim or whatever the charges may be, send the perp to prison! I don't think you can or should be able to take down a website for the actions of its users off of the website, though. Say you're running a flea market and you know the merchants there are offering stolen goods. You'll be dealt with as an accomplice to their crimes. Kiwifarms, 8chan, all the other "free speech"-purporting platforms are just the same in concept. > I can certainly see the harm being done by the doxxer, but if all they are doing is revealing or collecting up information I don't know if that should be a crime, but I could be convinced. The reasoning is that, especially if you're revealing information that is not being public (like where someone lives) or is outright wrong, there will be enough miscreants on the Internet that abuse this information to cause serious harms. People already have been killed as a result of swatting [1], businesses like pizza parlors routinely lose absurd amounts of money to "prank" calls (which are a crime, but not investigated by most PDs as the damages are way too small), and the "pizzagate" pizza parlor even got someone nuts enough to shoot the place up [2]. Therefore, doxxing and the upkeep of such material should be made a crime, if only to keep the general public safe from the multiple cases of stochastic terrorism. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swatting#Injuries_or_deaths_due_to_swatting https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swatting#Injuries_or_deaths_du... [2] https://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/05/business/media/comet-ping-pong-pizza-shooting-fake-news-consequences.html https://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/05/business/media/comet-ping...