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Currently widespread censorship against people supporting the people of palestine is being conducted because the corporations you trust to police so called "re

Currently widespread censorship against people supporting the people of palestine is being conducted because the corporations you trust to police so called "reprehensible" behavior just happen to support the israeli government. So i guess you need to support israel's apartheid and genocide or else. Oops. So much for it only being reprehensible behavior that's getting nailed. This has been predicted by literally every proponent of free speech since the concept was. No amount of nonsense "free speech doesn't mean freedom from consequences" (it does, by definition) anti-free speech people (fascists for this comment's purposes) will ever change the reality here.

lovich 3y ago
Re: the question I asked in another sub thread How do you solve the fundamental mismatch of violating the private entities right to their private property and you’re ability to say what you want on their property against their wishes? If you don’t want the government getting involved then whose right gets to lose here? There is no magical hand wavy answer here where you are infringing on one group or the other because they are fundamentally opppsed
- LightHugger 3y ago
  Large public platforms that have immunity of responsibility from what people post should also require a degree of hands off. Moderation vs responsibility should be the choice. You can have your tightly moderated small community, or you can have a huge public space. I think this is the best approach i've seen in recent times. Welcome to hear other suggestions, but i think it's obvious that large public backbone services like tier 1 isps or also things like cloudflare should not be policing speech. I would extend that to services on the scale of facebook, twitter, reddit, etc, but probably not individual subreddits. The only reasoning i see from people disagreeing with this is that they happy with what's getting policed at that moment and would immediately flip their lid if anything they like starts getting censored.
dfxm12 3y ago
No amount of nonsense "free speech doesn't mean freedom from consequences" (it does, by definition) fascists will ever change the reality here. A business dropping a customer because they'll lose more business if they don't isn't fascism, that's capitalism...
- f33d5173 3y ago
  Fascism is not communism, it isn't opposed to capitalism and frequently integrates it. If I refuse jewish customers because I fear reprisal if I accept them, is that capitalism or fascism?
  - dfxm12 3y ago
    It is hard to say. That's an awfully vague situation and religion is a protected class in some jurisdictions for some reasons. As written though, it sounds like you're just afraid of something nebulous, and it's got nothing to do with political or economic ideologies.
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lovich 3y ago

Re: the question I asked in another sub thread How do you solve the fundamental mismatch of violating the private entities right to their private property and you’re ability to say what you want on their property against their wishes? If you don’t want the government getting involved then whose right gets to lose here? There is no magical hand wavy answer here where you are infringing on one group or the other because they are fundamentally opppsed

LightHugger 3y ago
Large public platforms that have immunity of responsibility from what people post should also require a degree of hands off. Moderation vs responsibility should be the choice. You can have your tightly moderated small community, or you can have a huge public space. I think this is the best approach i've seen in recent times. Welcome to hear other suggestions, but i think it's obvious that large public backbone services like tier 1 isps or also things like cloudflare should not be policing speech. I would extend that to services on the scale of facebook, twitter, reddit, etc, but probably not individual subreddits. The only reasoning i see from people disagreeing with this is that they happy with what's getting policed at that moment and would immediately flip their lid if anything they like starts getting censored.

dfxm12 3y ago

No amount of nonsense "free speech doesn't mean freedom from consequences" (it does, by definition) fascists will ever change the reality here. A business dropping a customer because they'll lose more business if they don't isn't fascism, that's capitalism...

f33d5173 3y ago
Fascism is not communism, it isn't opposed to capitalism and frequently integrates it. If I refuse jewish customers because I fear reprisal if I accept them, is that capitalism or fascism?
- dfxm12 3y ago
  It is hard to say. That's an awfully vague situation and religion is a protected class in some jurisdictions for some reasons. As written though, it sounds like you're just afraid of something nebulous, and it's got nothing to do with political or economic ideologies.
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