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> what is your solution to letting them still project their voice on private property without infringing on the property owners rights? Presumably these people

> what is your solution to letting them still project their voice on private property without infringing on the property owners rights? Presumably these people expect the same sort of regulation as utilities: unless you're directly impeding the power company's ability to provide service to others, then they can't just refuse to serve you. Edit: edit for clarity per the below discussion.

lovich 3y ago
It’s not a utility though. That’s a very specific word for a type of quasi nationalized entity that is allowed to get set profit for specific performance. They have specific regulation and laws around them that go above and beyond what private corporations have. Complaining that your electric utility dropped service to your data center for hosting certain speech is a much different claim than complaining that a hosting provider dropped your website because of certain speech
- naasking 3y ago
  > It’s not a utility though The parent asked, "what is your solution to letting them still project their voice on private property without infringing on the property owners rights?" I answered: regulate them like any other utility. The fact that they are not regulated as utilities is "the problem", assuming you have a problem with the status quo.
  - lovich 3y ago
    Ah, that makes sense and is actually something I agree with. I had misinterpreted your original comments phrasing to mean you thought they were already utilities
dfxm12 3y ago
Where are you that Internet hosting, payment processing, etc., is a utility?
- naasking 3y ago
  We're not talking about the status quo, the question was what would be the solution to allowing people to continue projecting their voice on private property. This question is already answered by precedent in the form of regulated utilities.
- morkalork 3y ago
  IMO payment processing should be regulated as a utility. When cash is no longer an option, governments must not be ceding control of who can pay whome for whatever to private entities like Visa. The moral crusade against pornhub is an example of what can go wrong in the future. What right does a Christian backed activist group have that lets them get in the way of me, my money, and purveyors of porn on the internet?
  - Ridj48dhsnsh 3y ago
    If only there were a decentralized method of electronic payment that single entities could not control.
    - naasking 3y ago
      There probably isn't. You'll see a crackdown on cryptocurrencies soon enough, particularly for energy use. That's already begun.
      - rvz 3y ago
        > There probably isn't. Please stop being obtuse. You know there is and there are lots of these cryptocurrencies / blockchains that these people turn to due to the problems above. > You'll see a crackdown on cryptocurrencies soon enough, particularly for energy use. Ethereum 'cracked down' on its energy usage all the way down to 99.99% [0] when it switched from proof-of-work to proof-of-stake. [0] https://consensys.io/blog/ethereum-blockchain-eliminates-99-99-of-its-carbon-footprint-overnight-after-a-successful-merge-according-to-new-report https://consensys.io/blog/ethereum-blockchain-eliminates-99-...

lovich 3y ago

It’s not a utility though. That’s a very specific word for a type of quasi nationalized entity that is allowed to get set profit for specific performance. They have specific regulation and laws around them that go above and beyond what private corporations have. Complaining that your electric utility dropped service to your data center for hosting certain speech is a much different claim than complaining that a hosting provider dropped your website because of certain speech

naasking 3y ago
> It’s not a utility though The parent asked, "what is your solution to letting them still project their voice on private property without infringing on the property owners rights?" I answered: regulate them like any other utility. The fact that they are not regulated as utilities is "the problem", assuming you have a problem with the status quo.
- lovich 3y ago
  Ah, that makes sense and is actually something I agree with. I had misinterpreted your original comments phrasing to mean you thought they were already utilities

dfxm12 3y ago

Where are you that Internet hosting, payment processing, etc., is a utility?

naasking 3y ago
We're not talking about the status quo, the question was what would be the solution to allowing people to continue projecting their voice on private property. This question is already answered by precedent in the form of regulated utilities.
morkalork 3y ago
IMO payment processing should be regulated as a utility. When cash is no longer an option, governments must not be ceding control of who can pay whome for whatever to private entities like Visa. The moral crusade against pornhub is an example of what can go wrong in the future. What right does a Christian backed activist group have that lets them get in the way of me, my money, and purveyors of porn on the internet?
- Ridj48dhsnsh 3y ago
  If only there were a decentralized method of electronic payment that single entities could not control.
  - naasking 3y ago
    There probably isn't. You'll see a crackdown on cryptocurrencies soon enough, particularly for energy use. That's already begun.
    - rvz 3y ago
      > There probably isn't. Please stop being obtuse. You know there is and there are lots of these cryptocurrencies / blockchains that these people turn to due to the problems above. > You'll see a crackdown on cryptocurrencies soon enough, particularly for energy use. Ethereum 'cracked down' on its energy usage all the way down to 99.99% [0] when it switched from proof-of-work to proof-of-stake. [0] https://consensys.io/blog/ethereum-blockchain-eliminates-99-99-of-its-carbon-footprint-overnight-after-a-successful-merge-according-to-new-report https://consensys.io/blog/ethereum-blockchain-eliminates-99-...