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I'm not sure what you're getting at here. Not all open source projects are trying to turn users into products. A lot of open source projects derive value from

I'm not sure what you're getting at here. Not all open source projects are trying to turn users into products. A lot of open source projects derive value from getting external contributions that they wouldn't otherwise if something was kept closed source and in-house. Paying for software isn't always necessary. That said, the project also has several sponsors: https://github.com/sponsors/mswjs https://github.com/sponsors/mswjs

revskill 3y ago
It's always like that. I can't find any exception, sorry. It's natural right ? You can't just have your cake and eat it, too.
- Uehreka 3y ago
  So when I use, say, ffmpeg: In what sense am I their product? They don’t collect telemetry, they don’t serve me ads, the output can be used with any other tool so there’s no lock in, there’s no FFmpeg Pro (TM) with features withheld from the base version. This seems a little silly I know, but GP was talking about open source projects and you literally said “I can’t find any exception”.
- morbicer 3y ago
  Enlighten us how exactly are we products of Linux, Python, PostgreSQL and myriad of other open source which I am pretty sure you are using as well.
- skrebbel 3y ago
  If you can’t find any exception then you’ve missed like 80% of the FOSS ecosystem. Incl every BSD, most linuxes, most python libs and so on and so forth.
- ElectricalUnion 3y ago
  Stuff like Blink, it's designed to be a free-as-possible, scorched-earth-tactics moat so anyone trying to be "funny" and locking down/monetizing the platform in other ways other that the major contributor "blessed ways" are screwed up. In a way, the "freeest" tech around is the one that promotes "commoditize your complement", as that is the most capitalist incentive one has to have your cake and eat it, too. > Along the way, I noticed something interesting about open source software, which is this: most of the companies spending big money to develop open source software are doing it because it’s a good business strategy for them, not because they suddenly stopped believing in capitalism and fell in love with freedom-as-in-speech. > (...) All else being equal, demand for a product increases when the prices of its complements decrease. > Let me repeat that because you might have dozed off, and it’s important. Demand for a product increases when the prices of its complements decrease. > https://www.joelonsoftware.com/2002/06/12/strategy-letter-v/ https://www.joelonsoftware.com/2002/06/12/strategy-letter-v/

revskill 3y ago

It's always like that. I can't find any exception, sorry. It's natural right ? You can't just have your cake and eat it, too.

Uehreka 3y ago
So when I use, say, ffmpeg: In what sense am I their product? They don’t collect telemetry, they don’t serve me ads, the output can be used with any other tool so there’s no lock in, there’s no FFmpeg Pro (TM) with features withheld from the base version. This seems a little silly I know, but GP was talking about open source projects and you literally said “I can’t find any exception”.
morbicer 3y ago
Enlighten us how exactly are we products of Linux, Python, PostgreSQL and myriad of other open source which I am pretty sure you are using as well.
skrebbel 3y ago
If you can’t find any exception then you’ve missed like 80% of the FOSS ecosystem. Incl every BSD, most linuxes, most python libs and so on and so forth.
ElectricalUnion 3y ago
Stuff like Blink, it's designed to be a free-as-possible, scorched-earth-tactics moat so anyone trying to be "funny" and locking down/monetizing the platform in other ways other that the major contributor "blessed ways" are screwed up. In a way, the "freeest" tech around is the one that promotes "commoditize your complement", as that is the most capitalist incentive one has to have your cake and eat it, too. > Along the way, I noticed something interesting about open source software, which is this: most of the companies spending big money to develop open source software are doing it because it’s a good business strategy for them, not because they suddenly stopped believing in capitalism and fell in love with freedom-as-in-speech. > (...) All else being equal, demand for a product increases when the prices of its complements decrease. > Let me repeat that because you might have dozed off, and it’s important. Demand for a product increases when the prices of its complements decrease. > https://www.joelonsoftware.com/2002/06/12/strategy-letter-v/ https://www.joelonsoftware.com/2002/06/12/strategy-letter-v/