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Has anyone managed to prove that an email address is not "reasonably sufficient to permit the service provider to contact the complaining party"? I doubt it. I

Has anyone managed to prove that an email address is not "reasonably sufficient to permit the service provider to contact the complaining party"? I doubt it. I expect that Shopify doubts it, too.

mvdtnz 3y ago
The law itself is explicit, no one needs to prove what the word "and" means. > such as an address, telephone number and email address
- organsnyder 3y ago
  In this context, I think "and" could be reasonably argued to mean either "and" or "or". And given that the purpose of the contact information is "Information reasonably sufficient to permit the service provider to contact the complaining party" and not for identity verification, I'd guess that no company is willing to go to court to test this.
  - mvdtnz 3y ago
    And means and. Arguing that and means or is an interesting strategy I suppose but and means and.
    - organsnyder 3y ago
      But is "and" being used to form a set of acceptable forms of identification (any of which would be sufficient), or is it joining the forms of identification together as all being required?
      - thomastjeffery 3y ago
        It's joining them all together, but the whole thing is presented as an example. Any avenue that provides the ability to contact presumably meets that standard. If Shopify were to alter their contact info requirement, it would clearly be with a different goal in mind than the one laid out in that sentence. That's assuming of course, that the current requirements have actually led to communication.
    - organsnyder 3y ago
      Coming back to add, I think the following sentences have identical meanings: "Acceptable forms of identification include driver's license, passport, and birth certificate." "Acceptable forms of identification include driver's license, passport, or birth certificate."
- callalex 3y ago
  This is currently being debated in the highest court of the USA, right now as we speak. It’s pretty dumb and absurd to us techies but apparently it’s not a settled matter in law. https://www.inquirer.com/opinion/supreme-court-first-step-act-and-or-20231020.html https://www.inquirer.com/opinion/supreme-court-first-step-ac...
- thomastjeffery 3y ago
  > Information reasonably sufficient to permit the service provider to contact the complaining party, such as an address, telephone number and email address The words "information reasonably sufficient" set the bar of compliance. The list is an example, not an explicit requirement; hence the words "such as".

Has anyone managed to prove that an email address is not "reasonably sufficient to permit the service provider to contact the complaining party"? I doubt it. I expect that Shopify doubts it, too.

mvdtnz 3y ago

The law itself is explicit, no one needs to prove what the word "and" means. > such as an address, telephone number and email address

organsnyder 3y ago
In this context, I think "and" could be reasonably argued to mean either "and" or "or". And given that the purpose of the contact information is "Information reasonably sufficient to permit the service provider to contact the complaining party" and not for identity verification, I'd guess that no company is willing to go to court to test this.
- mvdtnz 3y ago
  And means and. Arguing that and means or is an interesting strategy I suppose but and means and.
  - organsnyder 3y ago
    But is "and" being used to form a set of acceptable forms of identification (any of which would be sufficient), or is it joining the forms of identification together as all being required?
    - thomastjeffery 3y ago
      It's joining them all together, but the whole thing is presented as an example. Any avenue that provides the ability to contact presumably meets that standard. If Shopify were to alter their contact info requirement, it would clearly be with a different goal in mind than the one laid out in that sentence. That's assuming of course, that the current requirements have actually led to communication.
  - organsnyder 3y ago
    Coming back to add, I think the following sentences have identical meanings: "Acceptable forms of identification include driver's license, passport, and birth certificate." "Acceptable forms of identification include driver's license, passport, or birth certificate."
callalex 3y ago
This is currently being debated in the highest court of the USA, right now as we speak. It’s pretty dumb and absurd to us techies but apparently it’s not a settled matter in law. https://www.inquirer.com/opinion/supreme-court-first-step-act-and-or-20231020.html https://www.inquirer.com/opinion/supreme-court-first-step-ac...
thomastjeffery 3y ago
> Information reasonably sufficient to permit the service provider to contact the complaining party, such as an address, telephone number and email address The words "information reasonably sufficient" set the bar of compliance. The list is an example, not an explicit requirement; hence the words "such as".