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That’s a bs reason. Reasonable suspicion needs to be on an articulable particular crime. It cannot be a suspicion of some unknown crime. But cops will give any

by ww520 3y ago

That’s a bs reason. Reasonable suspicion needs to be on an articulable particular crime. It cannot be a suspicion of some unknown crime. But cops will give any bs reason to make an arrest. Don’t fight them at the scene. Fight them at court.

RajT88 3y ago
> It cannot be a suspicion of some unknown crime. Yep. This is the exactly problem - these stop-and-search with dubious probable cause excuses are all about hitting their numbers without having to work too hard. They are "fishing expeditions". If you have been pulled over for seemingly no obvious reason, they are looking to find something to arrest you for already.
- lamontcg 3y ago
  The future of 100% driverless vehicles would be great since there'd no longer be any reason to pull anyone over. The driver of the vehicle would be Apple or Google or Uber or Tesla. The occupant could be happily hammered on whatever drugs they like without causing any risk. Cops would have to find a new job.
  - RajT88 3y ago
    I don't believe for a second it would go like this. "Broken tail light", "Old version of FSD software", "Erratic FSD behavior, potentially modified FSD". Just new reasons for probable cause, with the same goal: to write tickets and make arrests. I don't want to say all, but many (and in places, most) traffic stops are about hitting quotas and not about public safety.
  - ww520 3y ago
    Open container alcohol laws apply to all passengers in a car, not just the driver.
    - lamontcg 3y ago
      If nobody drives any more, there's no point to that.
      - RajT88 3y ago
        In the US at least, there's many, many, many laws still on the books which haven't been relevant for sometimes over 100 years, but nobody ever repealed them. This sort of stuff gets conveniently remembered when someone is being persecuted (sometimes for good reasons in the case of a serial killer or organized criminal, or for bad reasons like someone who is just being critical of a public figure). I for one hope to one day drink wine with my wife while watching movies in the back of our self-driving car, on the way to Disneyland from Chicago.
jerry80 3y ago
You could literally have "firearms, drugs, cats, dogs, alligators, and weapons" in your car and still not be breaking any laws at all. None of those things are a priori illegal in all, or even most, cases.

by ww520 3y ago

RajT88 3y ago

> It cannot be a suspicion of some unknown crime. Yep. This is the exactly problem - these stop-and-search with dubious probable cause excuses are all about hitting their numbers without having to work too hard. They are "fishing expeditions". If you have been pulled over for seemingly no obvious reason, they are looking to find something to arrest you for already.

lamontcg 3y ago
The future of 100% driverless vehicles would be great since there'd no longer be any reason to pull anyone over. The driver of the vehicle would be Apple or Google or Uber or Tesla. The occupant could be happily hammered on whatever drugs they like without causing any risk. Cops would have to find a new job.
- RajT88 3y ago
  I don't believe for a second it would go like this. "Broken tail light", "Old version of FSD software", "Erratic FSD behavior, potentially modified FSD". Just new reasons for probable cause, with the same goal: to write tickets and make arrests. I don't want to say all, but many (and in places, most) traffic stops are about hitting quotas and not about public safety.
- ww520 3y ago
  Open container alcohol laws apply to all passengers in a car, not just the driver.
  - lamontcg 3y ago
    If nobody drives any more, there's no point to that.
    - RajT88 3y ago
      In the US at least, there's many, many, many laws still on the books which haven't been relevant for sometimes over 100 years, but nobody ever repealed them. This sort of stuff gets conveniently remembered when someone is being persecuted (sometimes for good reasons in the case of a serial killer or organized criminal, or for bad reasons like someone who is just being critical of a public figure). I for one hope to one day drink wine with my wife while watching movies in the back of our self-driving car, on the way to Disneyland from Chicago.

jerry80 3y ago

You could literally have "firearms, drugs, cats, dogs, alligators, and weapons" in your car and still not be breaking any laws at all. None of those things are a priori illegal in all, or even most, cases.