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If you read into it some more Toyota has had this tech for a while, it’s real and it seems to work. Since battery life like this might be a step change, it wil

by j45 3y ago

If you read into it some more Toyota has had this tech for a while, it’s real and it seems to work. Since battery life like this might be a step change, it will leave most EV manufacturers behind if they don’t have an answer. EV buyers may want to consider a used EV until new tech comes out, since old or current tech is not always worth paying new prices for. It might also be a factor in the relationship between Toyota and Tesla growing in the last week.

SCdF 3y ago
I know what you mean, but until they release it in a production car it's not really real, if you know what I mean.
- j45 3y ago
  Absolutely. It's a battery pack though, not a car. Does Toyota have cars with battery packs this battery could be swapped into? That run only on electric for some of the time (Prime). Maybe it's closer than it seems.
mikestew 3y ago
EV buyers may want to consider a used EV until new tech comes out I'm not basing my purchase decisions on pie-in-the-sky press releases from Toyota and wild-ass guesses from some random person on the Internet. Build a car, Toyota, then we'll talk. Or maybe I'll just buy a Tesla instead, I've heard that their "Full Self-Driving" is just a few months away.
- j45 3y ago
  I get your "standard". It's why my recommendation is to actually go look at Toyota's tech. It's not hypothetical or in development. Their solid state batteries are known to exist and be ready to go. "I think I found Toyota's battery" https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36980630 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36980630 Which refers to " https://www.nature.com/articles/s41563-022-01421-z https://www.nature.com/articles/s41563-022-01421-z" Maybe some patenting stuff under way? I don't know. Toyota did predict this for a few years ago but things were shut down for the pandemic. Fun reads: https://hn.algolia.com/?q=toyota+battery https://hn.algolia.com/?q=toyota+battery Older teslas driving features are more reliable than the current ones. It sounds like training the AI driving systems with synthetic data is helping speed up progress. Another fn area to read.
Libcat99 3y ago
> EV buyers may want to consider a used EV until new tech comes out, since old or current tech is not always worth paying new prices for. Sounds like exactly what Toyota is hoping for with regular press releases like this. Shutting down competitors electric sales while consumers wait for this someday-tech would be fantastic for Toyota. Until you can buy it, it's meaningless at best.
- j45 3y ago
  See links above. I don't disagree Toyota drags their feet updating their existing cars, let alone new ones. One big move is they did sign that deal with Tesla to adopt the supercharging standard for electric. Hopefully that speeds things up.
  - Libcat99 3y ago
    Toyota is running ads explaining why a battery vehicle isn't the best choice. Right now.

by j45 3y ago

SCdF 3y ago

I know what you mean, but until they release it in a production car it's not really real, if you know what I mean.

j45 3y ago
Absolutely. It's a battery pack though, not a car. Does Toyota have cars with battery packs this battery could be swapped into? That run only on electric for some of the time (Prime). Maybe it's closer than it seems.

mikestew 3y ago

EV buyers may want to consider a used EV until new tech comes out I'm not basing my purchase decisions on pie-in-the-sky press releases from Toyota and wild-ass guesses from some random person on the Internet. Build a car, Toyota, then we'll talk. Or maybe I'll just buy a Tesla instead, I've heard that their "Full Self-Driving" is just a few months away.

j45 3y ago
I get your "standard". It's why my recommendation is to actually go look at Toyota's tech. It's not hypothetical or in development. Their solid state batteries are known to exist and be ready to go. "I think I found Toyota's battery" https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36980630 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36980630 Which refers to " https://www.nature.com/articles/s41563-022-01421-z https://www.nature.com/articles/s41563-022-01421-z" Maybe some patenting stuff under way? I don't know. Toyota did predict this for a few years ago but things were shut down for the pandemic. Fun reads: https://hn.algolia.com/?q=toyota+battery https://hn.algolia.com/?q=toyota+battery Older teslas driving features are more reliable than the current ones. It sounds like training the AI driving systems with synthetic data is helping speed up progress. Another fn area to read.

Libcat99 3y ago

> EV buyers may want to consider a used EV until new tech comes out, since old or current tech is not always worth paying new prices for. Sounds like exactly what Toyota is hoping for with regular press releases like this. Shutting down competitors electric sales while consumers wait for this someday-tech would be fantastic for Toyota. Until you can buy it, it's meaningless at best.

j45 3y ago
See links above. I don't disagree Toyota drags their feet updating their existing cars, let alone new ones. One big move is they did sign that deal with Tesla to adopt the supercharging standard for electric. Hopefully that speeds things up.
- Libcat99 3y ago
  Toyota is running ads explaining why a battery vehicle isn't the best choice. Right now.