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Still better than the kind of promises you'd get from Elon Musk, costing you 10K to get a FSD system to drive you into a wall. I like the fact that they show t

Still better than the kind of promises you'd get from Elon Musk, costing you 10K to get a FSD system to drive you into a wall. I like the fact that they show their intent without making you pay for it

robertlagrant 3y ago
Well, he's also jump-started all of car electrification. I agree FSD is bad, but unless you paid for it, it's a weird thing to focus on given the bigger picture impact Tesla and Musk have had.
1-6 3y ago
“It’s better to be an optimist who is sometimes wrong than a pessimist who is almost always right” Mark Twain
- hef19898 3y ago
  And there is promising the moon and delivering a tennis ball, and that years late...
amalcon 3y ago
I've got plenty of gripes with Musk -- not the least of which are Tesla's marketing of assistive driving technologies, which the folks there had to know would be misleading. I think this is somewhat unfair, though: that $10k is for a software unlock. Battery tech is hardware. Toyota can't charge extra for advanced batteries before said batteries are ready for mass production, for obvious reasons -- so they didn't really have the opportunity to engage in this kind of broken promise.
belltaco 3y ago
Not sure how Toyota is better in any regard. The timeline has always been 3 to 4 years away and has been previously vaporware. On top of that they're lobbying hard spending a lot of money against government incentives against fossil fuels and pollution standards. https://cleantechnica.com/2023/06/14/toyota-shareholder-revolt/#:~:text=Toyota%20has%20lobbied%20against%20strict,efficacy%20of%20mild%20hybrids%20vs https://cleantechnica.com/2023/06/14/toyota-shareholder-revo.... > Toyota has lobbied against strict fuel efficiency standards in Australia and worldwide and is one of the top three funders of lobbyists against 100% battery electric vehicles (BEVs). Various Toyota executives have sent mixed messages about the future ascendency of hydrogen-powered cars, the efficacy of mild hybrids vs. BEVs, and a future BEV strategy based on solid-state batteries. None of these technologies have proven their worth yet, and I wonder if these messages are merely a ploy for Toyota to maintain its current hybrid vehicle (HEV) dominance and profit margins.

robertlagrant 3y ago

Well, he's also jump-started all of car electrification. I agree FSD is bad, but unless you paid for it, it's a weird thing to focus on given the bigger picture impact Tesla and Musk have had.

1-6 3y ago

“It’s better to be an optimist who is sometimes wrong than a pessimist who is almost always right” Mark Twain

hef19898 3y ago
And there is promising the moon and delivering a tennis ball, and that years late...

amalcon 3y ago

I've got plenty of gripes with Musk -- not the least of which are Tesla's marketing of assistive driving technologies, which the folks there had to know would be misleading. I think this is somewhat unfair, though: that $10k is for a software unlock. Battery tech is hardware. Toyota can't charge extra for advanced batteries before said batteries are ready for mass production, for obvious reasons -- so they didn't really have the opportunity to engage in this kind of broken promise.

belltaco 3y ago

Not sure how Toyota is better in any regard. The timeline has always been 3 to 4 years away and has been previously vaporware. On top of that they're lobbying hard spending a lot of money against government incentives against fossil fuels and pollution standards. https://cleantechnica.com/2023/06/14/toyota-shareholder-revolt/#:~:text=Toyota%20has%20lobbied%20against%20strict,efficacy%20of%20mild%20hybrids%20vs https://cleantechnica.com/2023/06/14/toyota-shareholder-revo.... > Toyota has lobbied against strict fuel efficiency standards in Australia and worldwide and is one of the top three funders of lobbyists against 100% battery electric vehicles (BEVs). Various Toyota executives have sent mixed messages about the future ascendency of hydrogen-powered cars, the efficacy of mild hybrids vs. BEVs, and a future BEV strategy based on solid-state batteries. None of these technologies have proven their worth yet, and I wonder if these messages are merely a ploy for Toyota to maintain its current hybrid vehicle (HEV) dominance and profit margins.