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This is pushed by people in the EU who aren't elected, so the only solution is to lobby for our countries to leave the EU.
by f233f2 3y ago
This is pushed by people in the EU who aren't elected, so the only solution is to lobby for our countries to leave the EU.
- Macha 3y agoWhich of course is why the country that did leave the EU has passed anti-E2EE legislation already while the attempt to do so in the EU is apparently floundering
- radicalbyte 3y agoThe proposal comes from the Commission but it has to be voted for by the Member States in the European Parliament. They can (and will) demand changes to the text. I've seen this process up close (for a Member State) and it is reliably slow with a reliable amount of ping-pong and battles between the various parties..
- gamesbrainiac 3y agoHow do we just kill the bill? This is a terrible piece of legislation through and though and has been masquerading as something to protect childen.
- rdm_blackhole 3y agoYou can't and that's the problem. This is Chat Control 2.0, the first bill did not make it through so now they come back with this new iteration. If this one doesn't pass , they'll come back with Chat control 3.0 and so on by next year or the one after.
- radicalbyte 3y agoThe way all politics works - by applying political pressure. How? Depends on the sensibilities of the country you live in.
- gamesbrainiac 3y agoI'm afraid that your proposition is too extreme. I believe in the European project, and this position seems like we're trying to kill a fly with a bazooka.
- rdm_blackhole 3y agoI am sorry but why do you believe in the European project? Also what is the European project? The EU was a good idea at the start. A bunch of countries wanting to preserve peace and increase trade? Sure sign me up. That's what it was at the start. But now, with the open borders between countries, laws that supersedes state laws, talks about having an army and a desire to turn European countries into the United States of Europe, what is the advantage here? You could have pacts and treaties to foster cooperation and trade. You could share intelligence and help each other out just like any other country in the world does it currently without something like the EU to manage it all.
- gamesbrainiac 3y agoThe EU is European Project. I think it's very easy to take the benefits of the EU and our resulting prosperity for granted. We need to actually have some power in the US-EU relationship, and the only way is to combine further. I don't know what that will look like, but I'd like Europe to be able to chart its own course. We know what happens to nations that are at the mercy of countries more powerful.
- rdm_blackhole 3y ago> I think it's very easy to take the benefits of the EU and our resulting prosperity for granted. We need to actually have some power in the US-EU relationship, and the only way is to combine further. You opinion is that the EU is good because the EU is good. You want the United states of Europe. I don't. France, Germany, the Northern European countries were wealthy before the EU became the EU as we know it today. > I don't know what that will look like, but I'd like Europe to be able to chart its own course. We know what happens to nations that are at the mercy of countries more powerful. Yes, Europe, not the EU. That's my point. You can have Europe without the EU. You can have cooperation, trade, security without an overarching apparatus like the EU.
- arp242 3y agoDidn't they have a similar law in the UK?
- gpderetta 3y agoAnd then you get this law passed by your local parliament, like it happened in UK?