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I won't hold my breath https://www.drive.com.au/news/toyota-develops-more-efficient-battery-tenfold-improvement-in-capacity-may-be-possible/ https://www.drive.

I won't hold my breath https://www.drive.com.au/news/toyota-develops-more-efficient-battery-tenfold-improvement-in-capacity-may-be-possible/ https://www.drive.com.au/news/toyota-develops-more-efficient... >If the Japanese automaker does decide to put it into a production car, don't expect it to arrive on the scene until sometime after 2015.

quietbritishjim 3y ago
That quote is not in that article, which is from 2017. Did you mean to link to something else?
- BaculumMeumEst 3y ago
  I’m seeing an article written in 2009 that includes his quote.
- jjoonathan 3y ago
  That article is from 2009 about Toyota announcing a 10x lithium ion wonder-battery due in ~2015. That didn't happen. Now, in 2023, Toyota promises a solid-state wonder-battery soon (tm). Since wonder-battery announcements from Toyota have proven unreliable before we shouldn't hold our breath for today's wonder-battery announcement from Toyota.
  - arghwhat 3y ago
    This article of this post announces that they, after a published "breakthrough" earlier this year, is closing in on mass production capability with 2028 being Toyota's suggested target. That article shared in this comment thread announces the start of development of a new battery technology, with the author sharing their opinion on the possible delivery date - not Toyota. But regardless of whether Toyota succeeds according to their schedule, holding your breath for 5 years or more is not recommended.
  - quietbritishjim 3y ago
    They must have edited their comment. It had a link to a Forbes article from 2017 when I posted my reply.
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threeseed 3y ago
That is the opinion of the author, Tony Kane who is the founder of Time and Leisure Magazine. He has no background in car manufacturing, battery research etc or unique insight into Toyota's roadmap. With all due respect to him I don't think his opinion is worth all that much.
scythe 3y ago
From your article: >reportedly uses single crystals of lithium cobalt oxide Would anyone like to guess why this one didn't catch on? Anyway, practically all modern solid-state batteries are based on a phosphorus sulfide electrolyte system (P2S5, but also related PxSy phases), which was tested in batteries as early as 1988 by Eveready: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0167273888801565 https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S01672... The material was discovered in France in around 1980: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/016727388090048X https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/016727... So this is not just a one-off technology; the challenge is mostly efficient production.

quietbritishjim 3y ago

That quote is not in that article, which is from 2017. Did you mean to link to something else?

BaculumMeumEst 3y ago
I’m seeing an article written in 2009 that includes his quote.
jjoonathan 3y ago
That article is from 2009 about Toyota announcing a 10x lithium ion wonder-battery due in ~2015. That didn't happen. Now, in 2023, Toyota promises a solid-state wonder-battery soon (tm). Since wonder-battery announcements from Toyota have proven unreliable before we shouldn't hold our breath for today's wonder-battery announcement from Toyota.
- arghwhat 3y ago
  This article of this post announces that they, after a published "breakthrough" earlier this year, is closing in on mass production capability with 2028 being Toyota's suggested target. That article shared in this comment thread announces the start of development of a new battery technology, with the author sharing their opinion on the possible delivery date - not Toyota. But regardless of whether Toyota succeeds according to their schedule, holding your breath for 5 years or more is not recommended.
- quietbritishjim 3y ago
  They must have edited their comment. It had a link to a Forbes article from 2017 when I posted my reply.
- deleted 3y ago
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threeseed 3y ago

That is the opinion of the author, Tony Kane who is the founder of Time and Leisure Magazine. He has no background in car manufacturing, battery research etc or unique insight into Toyota's roadmap. With all due respect to him I don't think his opinion is worth all that much.

scythe 3y ago

From your article: >reportedly uses single crystals of lithium cobalt oxide Would anyone like to guess why this one didn't catch on? Anyway, practically all modern solid-state batteries are based on a phosphorus sulfide electrolyte system (P2S5, but also related PxSy phases), which was tested in batteries as early as 1988 by Eveready: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0167273888801565 https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S01672... The material was discovered in France in around 1980: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/016727388090048X https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/016727... So this is not just a one-off technology; the challenge is mostly efficient production.