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"Legal" in the bottom left links to Apples servers and does not show the necessary attribution to OSM data, based on https://www.openstreetmap.org/copyright htt

by habi 3y ago

"Legal" in the bottom left links to Apples servers and does not show the necessary attribution to OSM data, based on https://www.openstreetmap.org/copyright https://www.openstreetmap.org/copyright Could you correct this?

habi 3y ago
Also, the AppStore description mentions "Terms of use: https://www.apple.com/legal/internet-services/itunes/dev/stdeula/ https://www.apple.com/legal/internet-services/itunes/dev/std...", which should probably link to another place, i.e. to your site.
- eofster 3y ago
  Well, this is the license the app is distributed under, the standard App Store app EULA.
  - habi 3y ago
    OK, I misunderstood the text and thought this should link to your terms of use, not the standard Apple ones
    - eofster 3y ago
      No worries, you're not wrong. By default on the App Store the standard Apple's Licensed Application EULA applies. Optionally, Apple allows you to have your own license agreement instead of the standard one. And there is a special field for it on Apple's website where you edit your App Store app metadata. However, if you do not use your own agreement (you use the standard one) and also offer subscriptions, Apple wants the link to the standard agreement be explicitly specified in the app description. And in iOS UI it's called 'Terms of Use'.
eofster 3y ago
The linked webpage shows the attribution to OSM in the very first line: Contains map data © OpenStreetMap contributors, www.openstreetmap.org/copyright I thought it complied to the OSM license. Does it not?
- habi 3y ago
  This page shows Apples attribution, not the one from your app. Your app has to show it in your app.
  - eofster 3y ago
    First of all I want to emphasize that I want to comply with the license. This is my goal. And thank you for helping me to find the right solution for this. I might be wrong, but here's how I see it. I'm using the standard Apple framework called MapKit. It allows displaying your own map tiles. The "Legal" link is part of the framework UI and the framework API doesn't allow changing or hiding it. So doing so (changing or hiding it) is the way to risk not passing through the App Store review. I suspect that also Apple's own maps use OpenStreetMap data and Apple thinks it's legal and even obligatory to have this "Legal" link. In my opinion, the "Legal" link is not just Apple's attribution that doesn't apply to third-party apps. It's specifically there, in the map framework MapKit, for the third-party apps on Apple platforms to display maps. The fact that the web page is technically located on Apple's web server doesn't automatically mean it's Apple's own attribution. It's all Apple's platform. The iOS apps are downloaded from the App Store, they use Apple APIs for interacting with the OS, they use Apple frameworks. By default, Apple's standard Licensed Application End User License Agreement applies for app distribution and usage. And last and not least, it's not that the attribution is hidden or unreachable for the people using the app. It's right there, shown on tap, first line in bold text, the link to it is always visible on the map.
    - habi 3y ago
      I am not a lawyer, just an avid OpenStreetMap editor and like to see where my contributions are used and credited. > And last and not least, it's not that the attribution is hidden or unreachable for the people using the app. It's right there, shown on tap, first line in bold text, the link to it is always visible on the map. The OpenStreetMap Copyright page [1] is pretty clear: "Where you use OpenStreetMap data, you are required to do the following two things: 1) Provide credit to OpenStreetMap by displaying our copyright notice. 2) Make clear that the data is available under the Open Database License." The guidelines for attribution even suggest a text to use: https://osmfoundation.org/wiki/Licence/Attribution_Guidelines#Attribution_text https://osmfoundation.org/wiki/Licence/Attribution_Guideline... and this text is certainly not "Legal" linking to an Apple URL. As I see it, complying with the license would be putting "© OpenStreetMap contributors" at the bottom of your map view, but again, IANAL, just an OSM nerd. [1]: https://www.openstreetmap.org/copyright https://www.openstreetmap.org/copyright

by habi 3y ago

habi 3y ago

Also, the AppStore description mentions "Terms of use: https://www.apple.com/legal/internet-services/itunes/dev/stdeula/ https://www.apple.com/legal/internet-services/itunes/dev/std...", which should probably link to another place, i.e. to your site.

eofster 3y ago
Well, this is the license the app is distributed under, the standard App Store app EULA.
- habi 3y ago
  OK, I misunderstood the text and thought this should link to your terms of use, not the standard Apple ones
  - eofster 3y ago
    No worries, you're not wrong. By default on the App Store the standard Apple's Licensed Application EULA applies. Optionally, Apple allows you to have your own license agreement instead of the standard one. And there is a special field for it on Apple's website where you edit your App Store app metadata. However, if you do not use your own agreement (you use the standard one) and also offer subscriptions, Apple wants the link to the standard agreement be explicitly specified in the app description. And in iOS UI it's called 'Terms of Use'.

eofster 3y ago

The linked webpage shows the attribution to OSM in the very first line: Contains map data © OpenStreetMap contributors, www.openstreetmap.org/copyright I thought it complied to the OSM license. Does it not?

habi 3y ago
This page shows Apples attribution, not the one from your app. Your app has to show it in your app.
- eofster 3y ago
  First of all I want to emphasize that I want to comply with the license. This is my goal. And thank you for helping me to find the right solution for this. I might be wrong, but here's how I see it. I'm using the standard Apple framework called MapKit. It allows displaying your own map tiles. The "Legal" link is part of the framework UI and the framework API doesn't allow changing or hiding it. So doing so (changing or hiding it) is the way to risk not passing through the App Store review. I suspect that also Apple's own maps use OpenStreetMap data and Apple thinks it's legal and even obligatory to have this "Legal" link. In my opinion, the "Legal" link is not just Apple's attribution that doesn't apply to third-party apps. It's specifically there, in the map framework MapKit, for the third-party apps on Apple platforms to display maps. The fact that the web page is technically located on Apple's web server doesn't automatically mean it's Apple's own attribution. It's all Apple's platform. The iOS apps are downloaded from the App Store, they use Apple APIs for interacting with the OS, they use Apple frameworks. By default, Apple's standard Licensed Application End User License Agreement applies for app distribution and usage. And last and not least, it's not that the attribution is hidden or unreachable for the people using the app. It's right there, shown on tap, first line in bold text, the link to it is always visible on the map.
  - habi 3y ago
    I am not a lawyer, just an avid OpenStreetMap editor and like to see where my contributions are used and credited. > And last and not least, it's not that the attribution is hidden or unreachable for the people using the app. It's right there, shown on tap, first line in bold text, the link to it is always visible on the map. The OpenStreetMap Copyright page [1] is pretty clear: "Where you use OpenStreetMap data, you are required to do the following two things: 1) Provide credit to OpenStreetMap by displaying our copyright notice. 2) Make clear that the data is available under the Open Database License." The guidelines for attribution even suggest a text to use: https://osmfoundation.org/wiki/Licence/Attribution_Guidelines#Attribution_text https://osmfoundation.org/wiki/Licence/Attribution_Guideline... and this text is certainly not "Legal" linking to an Apple URL. As I see it, complying with the license would be putting "© OpenStreetMap contributors" at the bottom of your map view, but again, IANAL, just an OSM nerd. [1]: https://www.openstreetmap.org/copyright https://www.openstreetmap.org/copyright